ProWin/PGC WA M4 Mag: Vaporware no more...

[RacingManiac]

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/magazines...bb-series.html

http://www.arms-cool.net/forum/thread-53521-1-1.html

Ordered 3...if these works I won't need Bombers anymore...

[KoolAidMan]

hmmm interesting makes the WA system look more appealing little to no cooldown with 50 rounds high ROF.

[ILLusion]

I wonder how these compare to the WA SUPER mag (not considering price...)

[RacingManiac]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

I wonder how these compare to the WA SUPER mag (not considering price...)

I'll let you know....I have a couple of those as well...

Say, do you have cheap Chrono for sale, mine Madbull one started acting funny awhile back...

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

Say, do you have cheap Chrono for sale, mine Madbull one started acting funny awhile back...

I have two Xcortech X3200 coming in. Contact me by PM if you want to buy one.

[RacingManiac]

PMed, I think its worthwhile getting another chrono, I got some testing in mind now...

I can at least compare Bomber to WOC to new G&P to WA Super and these PGC ones...

[kullwarrior]

Obama is to American Healthcare as Pro-Win is to Magna M4 Magazines.
If you don't know, basically Pro-Win Magazine is claim to be solution of Western Arms Problems. How so you might ask?
Currently there are three systems:
Western Arms
GHK
KUI

All these ones have individual problems.
Western Arms: Price, holding high pressure gases, cool down effect, durability
GHK: fitting issue, maxinium volume of gas, durability
KUI: holding high pressure gases, rarity

Pro-Win claims to fix all the problem.
Basically according to their own data, Pro-Win:

• has similiar capacity as Western Arms (WA is 55, PW is 50, GHK is 42, and KUI has <40)
• can use Magpul Ranger plate (no other can)
• has similiar gas output as WA (GHK is known for having less gas output resulting in less fps, 370 6.03mm innerbarrel @ 28 degree gives 480 for WA, and 455 for GHK)
• has bigger volume of gas (apparently bigger than WA, alot bigger than the tiny GHK)
• Does not need the hammer to be cocked to insert magazine (GHK, WA needs the airsoft rifle to be cocked first, except Ino '09 SV)
• CNC design, unlike WA which is Die Cast
• Drop able without damage, not sure how durable though

Average Retail Price:
KUI (Taiwan): $30USD -current retailer will NOT ship outside of Taiwan
GHK (Taiwan): $50-$63USD -Redwolf sells the most expensive price, RA-Tech cheapest

G&P (HK): $45USD
Bomber (HK): $62USD
Pro-Win (HK): $68USD

WA M4 CQBR Standard (Japan): $104USD
WA S-Type Economical (Japan): $78USD
WA Super (Japan): $128USD

AGM (PRC): ~25USD
5KU/EAC (PRC): ~$35US

Enough said, here's some photo I stole from a Taiwanese site Arms Cool





Here's the link to buying it,
Ehobby Asia
REDWOLF fyi they made a typo too, its 50 rounder not 130. A Taiwanese player already confirms it.

FYI: Racingmaniac and I had volunteer for reviewing, only regret is that I order from eHobby instead of RW as I could save a bit on shipping as well as get some parts I wanted.

[RacingManiac]

yep yep, made a thread about it in Accessories, maybe a mod can merge these...

As I mentioned on Gasguns.info I planned to compare a bunch of mags for WA M4 on my WOC, at such time I should have a new working chrono and the following mags:

3x WOC mags(the original, not the new ones)
3x Bomber
1x G&P(the new one)
2x WA Super
3x ProWin

Should do at least tests with fps measurement, shot to shot variation, mag to mag variation of the same brand(if more than one), cycling rate, and subjective recoiling "feel".


BTW, eHobby adjusted the price to match RW.....good thing I ordered this morning...

[kullwarrior]

wow they must have change it in an hour, cause when I order it at 2100 Mountain time (2 hours ago) it was $62...guess the cartel is in its work.

[SHÖCK]

Since all the other mags are out of stock @ ehobby, I will consider purchasing one to try in my AGM. What is the weight like? The material reminds me of PTW mags.

I am still waiting for 5KU mags to be back in stock @ ebaybanned. Any other sources? If you buy three, it's only $71.50 shipped for 3. A single Prowin costs $82 shipped.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by SHÖCK

Since all the other mags are out of stock @ ehobby, I will consider purchasing one to try in my AGM. What is the weight like? The material reminds me of PTW mags.

I am still waiting for 5KU mags to be back in stock @ ebaybanned. Any other sources? If you buy three, it's only $71.50 shipped for 3. A single Prowin costs $82 shipped.

I bought mine @ 62 each...got 3 for $215 shipped EMS...If Im not satisfied do you want it? w/ my GBBR?!? lol
Shock, you don't know how much desperate people are waiting for this. we, (Gungas forum) thought this was a total vapourware a too good to be true stuff...but we'll see.

[SHÖCK]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

I bought mine @ 62 each...got 3 for $215 shipped EMS...If Im not satisfied do you want it? w/ my GBBR?!? lol
Shock, you don't know how much desperate people are waiting for this. we, (Gungas forum) thought this was a total vapourware a too good to be true stuff...but we'll see.

I'm sure either me or Kengel will want them (wasn't he getting you to build him a Prime?)

[shooter man]

I find the best price in TMC. The Pro-win Magazine is only USD$60. It is USD $68 in red wolf.
TMC: http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=6221
RED Wolf: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=28488

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by SHÖCK

I'm sure either me or Kengel will want them (wasn't he getting you to build him a Prime?)

yea but afaik hes waiting for VFC last check.

[RacingManiac]

I can vouch for TMC, they are as good if not better in most cases than RW or other HK shop in my experience. And they are much more flexible in changing your order if you did something wrong(or want to add something). Very responsive with e-mail as well...