Heavy BB's

Outcast569 · September 15th, 2009, 02:34

http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/consumables.htm

In this link there are some 0.36g Aluminum Coated Sniper BB's. I personally would not use them but Im curious if people actually do.

I would assume they are only for target shooting but like I said I was curious if people actually gamed them.

I know the ESS stuff is meant to stop a 12 gauge but Id be a little pissed off if that popped off my goggles

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knightoice · September 15th, 2009, 03:04

Ow

Outcast569 · September 15th, 2009, 03:07

Ya that was my thought. I know it stings enough hitting some one with a .25 MT. I can only imagine those guys. I can see people needing pliers to get them out of the arms.

heikis · September 15th, 2009, 04:34

just because it is alu-coated doesnt mean it stings you more than non-alu-coated 0.36g bb-s. many people use 0.43 madbull bb-s. all you got to know is your MED (min eng dist)

Tex · September 15th, 2009, 05:24

would you want to be hit by option A or option B? both will travel at the same speed for this test.

option A; 2lb feather pillow
option B; 1lb brick

chaosnemesis · September 15th, 2009, 07:11

you're suggesting that plastic bb's are marshmallows by comparison. they are not. the C.O.R. is pretty close. a better choice would be
a. getting struck by a rubber mallet
b. getting struck by a rubber mallet painted with aluminum.

both are going to hurt like a bitch but the difference in damage is negligible. it's alu. coated but plastic core. try wrapping tin foil around a tennis ball. it might do a little but not worth mentioning.

Tex · September 15th, 2009, 07:23

no that is not the point, I used extremes yes but the point is it is not just the weight and speed of something that is an issue we also need to consider the density of any projectile. you won't see metal BB's at any airsoft game. aluminum coated or steel or copper or what ever they will not be allowed. were not talking about painted surface colour.

edit* also this may just be a thin aluminum coating but we tested these years ago and they were found to be not safe for field use and banned by the insurance company we had at that time. they cracked jt paintball goggles and broke glass. they simply did not deform like a normal airsoft bb did on impact during the same tests.

CDN_Stalker · September 15th, 2009, 08:25

Snipers had been using graphite coated 0.36g BBs for years, would you rather get hit by a graphite powder coated BB or an aluminum powder coated BB of the same weight? I highly doubt those are "Aluminum coated", either they are graphite coated and mistaken to be aluminum (some mis-informed would refer to the graphite coated BBs as "metal" coated BBs), or they are solid aluminum (which would be used only for steel silhouette target shooting, not gaming). I used to have some alumium BBs, solid aluminum, they weighted in at 0.29g................. weren't all that great either. I've never heard of anyone using aluminum BBs at games, too hard to find, expensive and not that great quality, but they would likely be forbidden from use if anyone showed up with some.

AngelusNex · September 15th, 2009, 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex

would you want to be hit by option A or option B? both will travel at the same speed for this test.

option A; 2lb feather pillow
option B; 1lb brick

compressed to the same size and shape... I'd rather the brick.

xelamander · September 15th, 2009, 08:44

i think imma wait for the newer depleted uranium bbs.

KoolAidMan · September 15th, 2009, 08:51

slightly off topic of aluminum bb's but why is it that a a gun must shoot 350fps for indoor games and usualy 400 for outdoor with .2 what if someone had a gun shooting hotter but compensated with heavier bbs say 420-450 but used .3 instead to lower it the games regulated fps

heikis · September 15th, 2009, 08:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolAidMan

slightly off topic of aluminum bb's but why is it that a a gun must shoot 350fps for indoor games and usualy 400 for outdoor with .2 what if someone had a gun shooting hotter but compensated with heavier bbs say 420-450 but used .3 instead to lower it the games regulated fps

it is the amount of energy that that matters.

chaosnemesis · September 15th, 2009, 09:23

correct. and alu-coated bb's of the same weight and speed carries the same energy. i still wouldn't use coated bb's at a game though, in case the "coating" flecked off and made it into someone's eye.

AngelusNex · September 15th, 2009, 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolAidMan

slightly off topic of aluminum bb's but why is it that a a gun must shoot 350fps for indoor games and usualy 400 for outdoor with .2 what if someone had a gun shooting hotter but compensated with heavier bbs say 420-450 but used .3 instead to lower it the games regulated fps

games are capped at a joule limit, 350fps with .2 is the same joule (around 1.1) as .3 at around 280-290fps ish

FOX_111 · September 15th, 2009, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosnemesis

correct. and alu-coated bb's of the same weight and speed carries the same energy. i still wouldn't use coated bb's at a game though, in case the "coating" flecked off and made it into someone's eye.

The coating won't come off. It might leave a mark in your barrel or on your hard target (little teflon smudge) but nothing much.

Except the real exotic BBs, there is no such thing as metal BBs.

And even if there was, it's the weight that matter, not the material.
A metal BB deformation on impact won't make a difference compared to a plastic BB deformation on impact.

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September 15th, 2009, 02:34	#1
Outcast569 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary, Alberta	Heavy BB's http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/consumables.htm In this link there are some 0.36g Aluminum Coated Sniper BB's. I personally would not use them but Im curious if people actually do. I would assume they are only for target shooting but like I said I was curious if people actually gamed them. I know the ESS stuff is meant to stop a 12 gauge but Id be a little pissed off if that popped off my goggles . __________________

September 15th, 2009, 03:07	#3
Outcast569 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary, Alberta	Ya that was my thought. I know it stings enough hitting some one with a .25 MT. I can only imagine those guys. I can see people needing pliers to get them out of the arms. __________________

September 15th, 2009, 04:34	#4
heikis Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ESTONIA	just because it is alu-coated doesnt mean it stings you more than non-alu-coated 0.36g bb-s. many people use 0.43 madbull bb-s. all you got to know is your MED (min eng dist) Last edited by heikis; September 15th, 2009 at 04:42..

September 15th, 2009, 03:04	#2
knightoice Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC	Ow

September 15th, 2009, 05:24	#5
Tex Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Abbotsford, B.C.	would you want to be hit by option A or option B? both will travel at the same speed for this test. option A; 2lb feather pillow option B; 1lb brick __________________ W-69 _/\|

September 15th, 2009, 07:11	#6
chaosnemesis Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto	you're suggesting that plastic bb's are marshmallows by comparison. they are not. the C.O.R. is pretty close. a better choice would be a. getting struck by a rubber mallet b. getting struck by a rubber mallet painted with aluminum. both are going to hurt like a bitch but the difference in damage is negligible. it's alu. coated but plastic core. try wrapping tin foil around a tennis ball. it might do a little but not worth mentioning.

September 15th, 2009, 07:23	#7
Tex Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Abbotsford, B.C.	no that is not the point, I used extremes yes but the point is it is not just the weight and speed of something that is an issue we also need to consider the density of any projectile. you won't see metal BB's at any airsoft game. aluminum coated or steel or copper or what ever they will not be allowed. were not talking about painted surface colour. edit* also this may just be a thin aluminum coating but we tested these years ago and they were found to be not safe for field use and banned by the insurance company we had at that time. they cracked jt paintball goggles and broke glass. they simply did not deform like a normal airsoft bb did on impact during the same tests. __________________ W-69 _/\| Last edited by Tex; September 15th, 2009 at 07:31..

September 15th, 2009, 08:25	#8
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	Snipers had been using graphite coated 0.36g BBs for years, would you rather get hit by a graphite powder coated BB or an aluminum powder coated BB of the same weight? I highly doubt those are "Aluminum coated", either they are graphite coated and mistaken to be aluminum (some mis-informed would refer to the graphite coated BBs as "metal" coated BBs), or they are solid aluminum (which would be used only for steel silhouette target shooting, not gaming). I used to have some alumium BBs, solid aluminum, they weighted in at 0.29g................. weren't all that great either. I've never heard of anyone using aluminum BBs at games, too hard to find, expensive and not that great quality, but they would likely be forbidden from use if anyone showed up with some. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

September 15th, 2009, 08:44	#10
xelamander Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2009	i think imma wait for the newer depleted uranium bbs. __________________ just because i don't... doesn't mean i can't.

September 15th, 2009, 09:23	#13
chaosnemesis Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto	correct. and alu-coated bb's of the same weight and speed carries the same energy. i still wouldn't use coated bb's at a game though, in case the "coating" flecked off and made it into someone's eye.

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