C8 SFW Handguards?

Mr Jon · March 10th, 2009, 23:21

Ok i'm offically stumped, I just aquired a Triad ITM and real C8 stock with buttpad and am just dying to turn my Inokatsu GBB into an SFW or C8 CQB. Great!... only problem is regular M4 handguards do not look right and are waaay to wide for the triad to fit around it. So i'm wondering if anybody out there who just by chance has a Triad ITM and a C8 styled gun. Im looking at M635, M733 and the M15 to a lesser extent, but the handguards seem slimmer and not so 'fat' as it were. Since I have an Inokatsu I'll be able to even take real handguards if somebody could point me in the direction of! Let me know your thoughts.

Lerch · March 11th, 2009, 06:02

If you can find any of the old pattern Colt handguards, maybe Bushmaster. Basically it does have the skinny guards compared to whats being used these days. Airsoft side, the cheapest source of the old pattern guards is the G&P front sets, like the M733/M635/M655 kits on Redwolf.

Crunchmeister · March 11th, 2009, 08:59

I also have a TRIAD on my custom C8 and have the same issue. It has a CA M15 carbine front end and the the handguards are also too fat. I've been looking for several months not to find suitable handguards, and to no avail. So I just mounted the TRIAD backwards wtih the tines pointing to the front of the gun instead of to the rear.

Lerch · March 11th, 2009, 10:53

Like I said, newer pattern guards are fat.

Amos · March 11th, 2009, 10:55

Apperently G&P front kits are nice and thin.

Jon, a local's gonna be buying a XM177 and turning it into a CQB-R... perhaps he'd trade hand-guards with you.

Crunchmeister · March 11th, 2009, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos

Apperently G&P front kits are nice and thin.

Jon, a local's gonna be buying a XM177 and turning it into a CQB-R... perhaps he'd trade hand-guards with you.

Are the hand guards on the XM177 the same length as the M4? I was told that they were be a few people, and had someone else check it out and he said they weren't.

Mr Jon · March 11th, 2009, 11:03

I have a feeling the XM177 handguards may be a tad longer, but if he's converting it see if he'll borrow the handguards to me to see if they'll fit because that would be excellent. My next stop might be the CGN classifieds god forbid lol.

Lerch · March 13th, 2009, 16:47

It depends, like the XM grips should be same/similar length to the regular M4 grips. If you have something like the Army Code SFW barrel, you can adjust the length for different grip sizes (small adjustment, but nonetheless). The DragonRed/Element SFW barrel is fixed and can't accomodate changes.

Amos · March 13th, 2009, 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Jon

I have a feeling the XM177 handguards may be a tad longer, but if he's converting it see if he'll borrow the handguards to me to see if they'll fit because that would be excellent. My next stop might be the CGN classifieds god forbid lol.

Hang on, I'll go try a CA XM177 handguards on a CA M15a2

Crunchmeister · March 27th, 2009, 20:27

Did you actually try the handguards?

At the Mill a couple of weeks ago, I compared XM177 handguards to my C8 and they APPEARED to be the same length. We didn't actually remove them to test since I had tape around my handguard to hold on my pressure switch on and didn't want to remove it. But looked the same to me in terms of length.

mcguyver · March 27th, 2009, 20:46

I have a set of Bushmaster handguards, as well as a set of PTW handguards.

The Bushmasters measure 1.957" at the front laterally, while the Systema measure 2.167". That works out to about 3/16" difference.

I may be persuaded to part with the Bushmasters to help you with your project, Mr. Jon.

Crunchmeister · March 27th, 2009, 20:51

The space between the tines of the TRIAD are about 2" or maybe a bit less (measured with a measuring tape, so not 100% accurate). I doubt those Bushmaster handguards will fit. The front end of a standard M16 handguard is the pefect size.

mcguyver · March 27th, 2009, 21:06

Use a caliper if you want a precise number, but the Bushy's are off a real AR, and I doubt that the triad would not fit a real AR with standard AR handguards. The AR is so modular and the specs are such that I can grab any part from any other manufacturer and make it work, unless it's some cloner somewhere.

Crunchmeister · March 27th, 2009, 21:19

Unfortunately, I don't have a caliper. However, I removed the TRIAD and measured it again, and I can say for sure that the tines on the TRIAD are just under 2" wide.

I understand that real steel AR parts are pretty standard, however, C8 handguards that the TRIAD are designed to fit around are thinner at the tip than the fatter US-style M4 handguards. They taper more and come to a thinner end like the tip of M16 / C7 handguards. While either will physically fit into an M4 / C8 (real steel), the TRIAD will fit around one, but not around the other.

mcguyver · March 27th, 2009, 21:22

Well, the Bushy measure 1.957". Last I checked, that is under 2". And they don't taper up to 2" until 1.75" back from the front.

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March 10th, 2009, 23:21	#1
Mr Jon Trailer Park Supervisor Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Winnipeg MB	C8 SFW Handguards? Ok i'm offically stumped, I just aquired a Triad ITM and real C8 stock with buttpad and am just dying to turn my Inokatsu GBB into an SFW or C8 CQB. Great!... only problem is regular M4 handguards do not look right and are waaay to wide for the triad to fit around it. So i'm wondering if anybody out there who just by chance has a Triad ITM and a C8 styled gun. Im looking at M635, M733 and the M15 to a lesser extent, but the handguards seem slimmer and not so 'fat' as it were. Since I have an Inokatsu I'll be able to even take real handguards if somebody could point me in the direction of! Let me know your thoughts. __________________

March 11th, 2009, 06:02	#2
Lerch * AV Status REVOKED * Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CFB Shilo, MB	If you can find any of the old pattern Colt handguards, maybe Bushmaster. Basically it does have the skinny guards compared to whats being used these days. Airsoft side, the cheapest source of the old pattern guards is the G&P front sets, like the M733/M635/M655 kits on Redwolf. __________________

March 11th, 2009, 08:59	#3
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	I also have a TRIAD on my custom C8 and have the same issue. It has a CA M15 carbine front end and the the handguards are also too fat. I've been looking for several months not to find suitable handguards, and to no avail. So I just mounted the TRIAD backwards wtih the tines pointing to the front of the gun instead of to the rear. __________________

March 11th, 2009, 10:53	#4
Lerch * AV Status REVOKED * Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CFB Shilo, MB	Like I said, newer pattern guards are fat. __________________

March 11th, 2009, 10:55	#5
Amos Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tokushima, Japan	Apperently G&P front kits are nice and thin. Jon, a local's gonna be buying a XM177 and turning it into a CQB-R... perhaps he'd trade hand-guards with you. __________________ Custom Builds: FA3674U Krinkov G3SD6

March 11th, 2009, 11:03	#7
Mr Jon Trailer Park Supervisor Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Winnipeg MB	I have a feeling the XM177 handguards may be a tad longer, but if he's converting it see if he'll borrow the handguards to me to see if they'll fit because that would be excellent. My next stop might be the CGN classifieds god forbid lol. __________________

March 13th, 2009, 16:47	#8
Lerch * AV Status REVOKED * Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CFB Shilo, MB	It depends, like the XM grips should be same/similar length to the regular M4 grips. If you have something like the Army Code SFW barrel, you can adjust the length for different grip sizes (small adjustment, but nonetheless). The DragonRed/Element SFW barrel is fixed and can't accomodate changes. __________________

March 27th, 2009, 20:27	#10
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	Did you actually try the handguards? At the Mill a couple of weeks ago, I compared XM177 handguards to my C8 and they APPEARED to be the same length. We didn't actually remove them to test since I had tape around my handguard to hold on my pressure switch on and didn't want to remove it. But looked the same to me in terms of length. __________________

March 27th, 2009, 20:46	#11
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	I have a set of Bushmaster handguards, as well as a set of PTW handguards. The Bushmasters measure 1.957" at the front laterally, while the Systema measure 2.167". That works out to about 3/16" difference. I may be persuaded to part with the Bushmasters to help you with your project, Mr. Jon. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

March 27th, 2009, 20:51	#12
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	The space between the tines of the TRIAD are about 2" or maybe a bit less (measured with a measuring tape, so not 100% accurate). I doubt those Bushmaster handguards will fit. The front end of a standard M16 handguard is the pefect size. __________________

March 27th, 2009, 21:06	#13
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Use a caliper if you want a precise number, but the Bushy's are off a real AR, and I doubt that the triad would not fit a real AR with standard AR handguards. The AR is so modular and the specs are such that I can grab any part from any other manufacturer and make it work, unless it's some cloner somewhere. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

March 27th, 2009, 21:19	#14
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	Unfortunately, I don't have a caliper. However, I removed the TRIAD and measured it again, and I can say for sure that the tines on the TRIAD are just under 2" wide. I understand that real steel AR parts are pretty standard, however, C8 handguards that the TRIAD are designed to fit around are thinner at the tip than the fatter US-style M4 handguards. They taper more and come to a thinner end like the tip of M16 / C7 handguards. While either will physically fit into an M4 / C8 (real steel), the TRIAD will fit around one, but not around the other. __________________

March 27th, 2009, 21:22	#15
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Well, the Bushy measure 1.957". Last I checked, that is under 2". And they don't taper up to 2" until 1.75" back from the front. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

C8 SFW Handguards?

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