AK Beta Spetsnaz

[Disco_Dante]

Hey guys, does anyone know if the AK beta spetsnaz actually exists in real steel? Or is it just something cooked up by TM to increase sales?

The tiny magazine it comes with cant hold more then 15 rounds, and special forces would probably require a few more shots then that...

[Greylocks]

Yes, variants exist. Some infamous photos of Osama Ben Laden show one right behind him.
The names may not be exact, but the thing exists.

[mrgruber]

i do believe its a ak74u

[ancorp]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Yes, variants exist. Some infamous photos of Osama Ben Laden show one right behind him.
The names may not be exact, but the thing exists.

Ain't this the second time you make this mistake? Bin Laden carries (or did) an AKS-74U with an RPK-74 bakelite magazine, 45 rounds of 5.45x39.

The TM Beta Spetsnaz does not have a Russian real steel equivalent, but one can be custom built. I haven't seen a firearm AK that looked like the TM Spetz, I'd love to see the one you're referring to, Greylocks.

[Hortons Heros]

probably these ones

[Greylocks]

Look for the Krinkov. I Googled around and found several websites showing the gun as produced by more than one country. As said the name for it varies.

It comes in many calibers. So no, I am not mistaken. If I am, I am not alone. See what Google shows you before saying I'm wrong.

[mrgruber]

I do believe the only differance (that i can see any way) is the stock. Pictures of the tm beta spetsnaz have a fixed stalk. where the ak74u has a folding stalk.so i would still have to say its based on the ak74u.

just my 2 cents..

ya i do believe greylocks is right on this

[Disco_Dante]

thanks everyone. Why do you think TM makes it with such short magazines though?

[Greylocks]

I did say "variants", and that the name would change. The AK has been so copied by everyone that I'm not concerned with the names.

As a type of AK, it exists.

Dont know why they made the mag so short. The gun looks fantastic with the regular lenght magazine.

[Hortons Heros]

shorty mag

[Disco_Dante]

Seems a little pointless to me. As far as ugly weapons go, the AK with with the wooden foregrip looks disgusting

Shorty mags are pretty common for the AK. The reasons for their existence is, like all things, someone required them at the time. Perhaps in an environment where the added weight of multiple 30 round magazines wasn't appropriate, or for closed quarters like a submarine or ship where the extended magazine got in the way.

Regardless, they're quite real. I own several.

[Disco_Dante]

yah that makes sense. I was thinking they might be for tank crews and whatnot.

[ancorp]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Look for the Krinkov. I Googled around and found several websites showing the gun as produced by more than one country. As said the name for it varies.

It comes in many calibers. So no, I am not mistaken. If I am, I am not alone. See what Google shows you before saying I'm wrong.

With your thinking, pretty much any AK you could imagine "is a variant". Yes, there are many configurations you can see, but I don't see one specifically for a TM spetsnaz. And no, the one Bin Laden has is way off. In fact, almost every part of it looks different, the receiver, bolt, stock, pistolgrip, foregrips, etc. I think the only things that are the same are the flashhider, sights, and possibly top cover and trigger/trigger guard. Pretty far off.

As for short magazines - I believe the most common use is for civilian/hunting firearms. But they have their advantages on the field.

[Sergeantmajor]

just making sure...are we talking about this?