Building guns?

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 17:46

I was sitting in my room the other day thinking of ways to get cheap airsoft guns, or at least find ways to upgrade my crappy spring guns (which now have had thier warrenty voided so many times its not funny), and something occured to me: I know that importing airsoft guns into canada is a right pain in the butt; but what about making them? SO my friend and I were wondering what the stance on forming an airsoft company in Canada would be, both legaly and for the comunity. My friend is an airsoft technical wiz (he's the one who keeps upgrading the spring guns) and it's possible (if diffiuclt) to get the tools and matirials required to make some decent high-power spring guns, CO2 powered guns and maybe some AEGs (depending on if we can buy/build some small motors).

Problem: we have no clue what the legal stance on this is, and we don't want to get arrested over this (and possibly get airsoft banned from Canada)

Please go easy on me if you think this is a bad Idea, it's just something my friend and I cooked up and are wondering what the legal stance of it is. (besides it's my first thread

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*EDIT*

Also, keep in mind this would be a hell of a good step towards making Airsoft in Canada a legitimt sport if it can be done.

AvroAero · May 10th, 2006, 17:52

Nothing personal but nobody would buy them, that is if you get them functioning properly. AEGs, which is about the only thing worth making, are complex and wouldn't be easy to construct from scratch. C02 and spring guns would be useless to us as consumers unless they're accurately made and can be used for show peices.

But, as long as they don't surpass the limit to be considered firearms they wouldn't need to registered and therefore legal to just 'make and use'.

If your talking starting an airsoft company like TM in Canada, good luck. The canadian community isn't very big and won't sell much to make it worth your wild.

TMSteyrAug · May 10th, 2006, 17:57

Well, it sounds like it would be cheaper than importing, but if an AEG or Co2 gun had a shell of a springer, it would probably be a piece of crap.

Then again, it might not be legal, and if airsoft gets banned in Canada, trust me, some people here would probably slaughter you! :rrr:

In the end, it would probably be more sensible to buy from a Canadian airsoft dealer (Such as 007 or SpecArms).

JAPANESE QUALITY CANNOT BE BEATEN!!! :salute:

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvroAero

If your talking starting an airsoft company like TM in Canada, good luck. The canadian community isn't very big and won't sell much to make it worth your wild.

How many members are on this site? and how many more ppl out there who can't shell out $300-$500 for a TM? I think we have a large community out there, and furthermore I'm not sure what the legal issue is with EXPORTING airsoft guns from Canada.
Also, I know they wouldn't sell initially. I'm talking about working it up. Doing some experiments. Maybe selling a few to freinds, etc. No way my group of friends could strt a TM sized company, but we might be able to provide a cheap alternative to those who can't afford good guns. Especially if we build them to last (which, knowing my friends, we can).

P.S: Not trying to be aggressive here just want to play devils advocate, this might lead to a good debate

TMSteyrAug · May 10th, 2006, 18:04

Well, if you ever do decide to start this company....
make sure you have a plan B in case your sales go dry, or a sales pitch.

lol "Buy a Canadian AEG and get Asian porn for free!" 8)

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 18:07

Don't worry, I'm building one for myself first, just to see how it goes

Is anyone interested in this as a good idea? I'm just curious and want feedback

surebet · May 10th, 2006, 18:10

This has been beaten to death in the past. The price barrier is seen as somewhat of a good thing actually, since it requires that you be serious enough to invest. Furthermore, springers lack trades and other sexy detail.

Kokanee · May 10th, 2006, 18:11

What education backgrounds do you and your friend hold? Mechanical engineering? Tool and die? CAD training?

Wolfman · May 10th, 2006, 18:14

You want the legal aspect....
Quotiing the Canadian Firearms Centre....

"These are air guns that are not powerful enough to cause serious injury or death, but that were designed to resemble a real firearm with near precision. Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are classified as prohibited devices.

n particular, some air guns that are commonly called air soft guns may fall into this category. These are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and that usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal or lead.

Although replica firearms are prohibited, you may keep any that you owned on December 1, 1998. You do not need a licence to possess them, and they do not need to be registered. However, as an individual, you cannot import or acquire a replica firearm. If you take a replica firearm out of Canada, you will not be able to bring it back in."

Hows that for devils advocate

AirsoftTechGeek · May 10th, 2006, 18:18

I've done some reaserch and have been trying to build my own guns but have gotten stuck when it comes to making good gears if you know how to do this could you give me some info.

I think that good RC car motors would be your best shot for something close to a aeg motor. That's what i have been using.

Lex · May 10th, 2006, 18:18

You will defiently need a good amount of money to get a company like this off the ground.

Making your own personal guns shouldn't be a problem if you have the patience and know how.

I wish you luck.

Greylocks · May 10th, 2006, 18:19

Problems; Startup costs. Equipment costs. Business permits that allow you to build airguns, real guns or Replicas.

If you have not taken care of those issues, forget it. It's that simple.

AvroAero · May 10th, 2006, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talraga

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvroAero

If your talking starting an airsoft company like TM in Canada, good luck. The canadian community isn't very big and won't sell much to make it worth your wild.

How many members are on this site? and how many more ppl out there who can't shell out $300-$500 for a TM? I think we have a large community out there, and furthermore I'm not sure what the legal issue is with EXPORTING airsoft guns from Canada.
Also, I know they wouldn't sell initially. I'm talking about working it up. Doing some experiments. Maybe selling a few to freinds, etc. No way my group of friends could strt a TM sized company, but we might be able to provide a cheap alternative to those who can't afford good guns. Especially if we build them to last (which, knowing my friends, we can).

P.S: Not trying to be aggressive here just want to play devils advocate, this might lead to a good debate

I know, just some FYI. But not everyone will willing to risk buying a new brand over one they know the quality of. If it got a good review, that would help much.

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 18:23

uh... more like"Been-taking-things-apart-and-putting-them-back-together-since-I-was-6" training, not that that sounds impressive. We have no formal training as of yet, but both my best friend and I are Joining the Canadian Infantry Reserves, have basic High-school tech stuff, and have a view for becoming technitions in the army. What we have going for us most is the fact that we've been able take apart and do home-made upgrades on our crappy Crossman springer guns for the past year or so, so we know all the internal components. We've even upgraded the Few electric guns we have, but they are crappy and not full-sized AEGs. I know it sounds bad, but belive me when I say me and my friends know something about airsoft guns We're just strapped for Cash to get good guns and we think we can get matirial to build our own.

Forget the buisness side for now, is there any legal penalties for building airsoft guns for private use.

EDIT:

On other thing: these would not be replicas, but would be close enough to look like a real gun. Think an M-14 look. We already have one designed.

Greylocks · May 10th, 2006, 18:29

Then you will need the proper business permits (replicas or not, that's not for you to decide. The government will decide), and those are a bitch to get.
God help you and your career if you want to start selling stuff like that without the right paperwork.

Edit; close enough to look like a real gun = replica in the eyes of the law. Those laws have teeth.

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May 10th, 2006, 17:46	#1
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	Building guns? I was sitting in my room the other day thinking of ways to get cheap airsoft guns, or at least find ways to upgrade my crappy spring guns (which now have had thier warrenty voided so many times its not funny), and something occured to me: I know that importing airsoft guns into canada is a right pain in the butt; but what about making them? SO my friend and I were wondering what the stance on forming an airsoft company in Canada would be, both legaly and for the comunity. My friend is an airsoft technical wiz (he's the one who keeps upgrading the spring guns) and it's possible (if diffiuclt) to get the tools and matirials required to make some decent high-power spring guns, CO2 powered guns and maybe some AEGs (depending on if we can buy/build some small motors). Problem: we have no clue what the legal stance on this is, and we don't want to get arrested over this (and possibly get airsoft banned from Canada) Please go easy on me if you think this is a bad Idea, it's just something my friend and I cooked up and are wondering what the legal stance of it is. (besides it's my first thread ops: ) EDIT Also, keep in mind this would be a hell of a good step towards making Airsoft in Canada a legitimt sport if it can be done.

May 10th, 2006, 17:52	#2
AvroAero Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaughan, Ontario	Nothing personal but nobody would buy them, that is if you get them functioning properly. AEGs, which is about the only thing worth making, are complex and wouldn't be easy to construct from scratch. C02 and spring guns would be useless to us as consumers unless they're accurately made and can be used for show peices. But, as long as they don't surpass the limit to be considered firearms they wouldn't need to registered and therefore legal to just 'make and use'. If your talking starting an airsoft company like TM in Canada, good luck. The canadian community isn't very big and won't sell much to make it worth your wild. __________________ Old User Rating

May 10th, 2006, 17:57	#3
TMSteyrAug Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver	Well, it sounds like it would be cheaper than importing, but if an AEG or Co2 gun had a shell of a springer, it would probably be a piece of crap. Then again, it might not be legal, and if airsoft gets banned in Canada, trust me, some people here would probably slaughter you! :rrr: In the end, it would probably be more sensible to buy from a Canadian airsoft dealer (Such as 007 or SpecArms). JAPANESE QUALITY CANNOT BE BEATEN!!! :salute: __________________ :kill:Plz dont mess with me, I dont want a lawsuit:kill: Op: Irene III (helmet cam) Hey, CADPAT does work, have a look!stupid nubs

May 10th, 2006, 18:04	#5
TMSteyrAug Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver	Well, if you ever do decide to start this company.... make sure you have a plan B in case your sales go dry, or a sales pitch. lol "Buy a Canadian AEG and get Asian porn for free!" 8) __________________ :kill:Plz dont mess with me, I dont want a lawsuit:kill: Op: Irene III (helmet cam) Hey, CADPAT does work, have a look!stupid nubs

May 10th, 2006, 18:07	#6
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	Don't worry, I'm building one for myself first, just to see how it goes Is anyone interested in this as a good idea? I'm just curious and want feedback

May 10th, 2006, 18:10	#7
surebet Vicious MSPaint Wizard Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Longueuil, Quebec	This has been beaten to death in the past. The price barrier is seen as somewhat of a good thing actually, since it requires that you be serious enough to invest. Furthermore, springers lack trades and other sexy detail. __________________ Annoyingly good with numbers Stop American Censorship

May 10th, 2006, 18:11	#8
Kokanee Ministry of Peace Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2002	What education backgrounds do you and your friend hold? Mechanical engineering? Tool and die? CAD training?

May 10th, 2006, 18:14	#9
Wolfman Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ontario	You want the legal aspect.... Quotiing the Canadian Firearms Centre.... "These are air guns that are not powerful enough to cause serious injury or death, but that were designed to resemble a real firearm with near precision. Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are classified as prohibited devices. n particular, some air guns that are commonly called air soft guns may fall into this category. These are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and that usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal or lead. Although replica firearms are prohibited, you may keep any that you owned on December 1, 1998. You do not need a licence to possess them, and they do not need to be registered. However, as an individual, you cannot import or acquire a replica firearm. If you take a replica firearm out of Canada, you will not be able to bring it back in." Hows that for devils advocate __________________ Its better to have been defeated on principals, than to win on lies

May 10th, 2006, 18:18	#10
AirsoftTechGeek Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnesota, US	I've done some reaserch and have been trying to build my own guns but have gotten stuck when it comes to making good gears if you know how to do this could you give me some info. I think that good RC car motors would be your best shot for something close to a aeg motor. That's what i have been using.

May 10th, 2006, 18:18	#11
Lex Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario	You will defiently need a good amount of money to get a company like this off the ground. Making your own personal guns shouldn't be a problem if you have the patience and know how. I wish you luck. __________________ http://www.bikercowboy.com "...and if I fall, to taste the ground, and you hear that firebell sound. Don't fear, it's just the bullets, bouncing off my helmet..." -Hawksley Workman "I sir, point & laugh at you from across the ocean."-Aquamarine "It is that same freedom to choose that many organized faiths refuse to accept. And for that, I refuse to accept them."-MadMorbius

May 10th, 2006, 18:19	#12
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Problems; Startup costs. Equipment costs. Business permits that allow you to build airguns, real guns or Replicas. If you have not taken care of those issues, forget it. It's that simple.

May 10th, 2006, 18:23	#14
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	uh... more like"Been-taking-things-apart-and-putting-them-back-together-since-I-was-6" training, not that that sounds impressive. We have no formal training as of yet, but both my best friend and I are Joining the Canadian Infantry Reserves, have basic High-school tech stuff, and have a view for becoming technitions in the army. What we have going for us most is the fact that we've been able take apart and do home-made upgrades on our crappy Crossman springer guns for the past year or so, so we know all the internal components. We've even upgraded the Few electric guns we have, but they are crappy and not full-sized AEGs. I know it sounds bad, but belive me when I say me and my friends know something about airsoft guns We're just strapped for Cash to get good guns and we think we can get matirial to build our own. Forget the buisness side for now, is there any legal penalties for building airsoft guns for private use. EDIT: On other thing: these would not be replicas, but would be close enough to look like a real gun. Think an M-14 look. We already have one designed.

May 10th, 2006, 18:29	#15
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Then you will need the proper business permits (replicas or not, that's not for you to decide. The government will decide), and those are a bitch to get. God help you and your career if you want to start selling stuff like that without the right paperwork. Edit; close enough to look like a real gun = replica in the eyes of the law. Those laws have teeth.

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