Tokyo Marui P90 accessories and help needed

metroplex · January 15th, 2006, 19:09

I have a FN PS90 which is essentially the same as the P90 in terms of the optic/light/laser mounts. I heard that the TM P90 (w/ red dot) has rails that fit on the real P90 and PS90. The amazing part is that I heard the thread pitch is even the same for the screws holding the rails to the receiver!

Does anyone know where I can find the side rails, and main optic rail for the TM P90 sold on the Internet? I know there's a TM P90TR which isn't the same as the regular P90/PS90 aluminium optic receiver.

Also, I'm not sure if the TM P90 has a brass collector (not sure why you would need one... but), if so, it should work on the real P90. Do you know where I can buy one separately from the airsoft gun?

Any help would be appreciated.

metroplex · January 16th, 2006, 16:41

ttt

WingZER0 · January 19th, 2006, 00:41

Wrong section; the PS90 is a real steel weapon.

Secondly, which rails are you talking about? The TM P90's have a rail just on the right side of the RDS....

And no TM P90 has a brass collector. For a real steel civie shooter it's more useful if you're reloading ammunition. For LE and SWAT work it just makes sure there's none of your own brass on the ground for you to slip on.

metroplex · January 19th, 2006, 05:56

Thanks for pointing that out, but the TM P90 accessories will work on the real steel P90, which will work on the real steel PS90. Also, good luck finding ANY rails or accessories for the real steel P90/PS90. Nothing is in stock or if it is, it is RIDICULOUSLY priced ($80 USD for one side rail).

I found what I needed, the Dentrinity DTP P90 tri-rail for the TM P90 AEG. From what I can see, it will work fine on the PS90. I just gotta wait for it to arrive from Hong Kong.

The PS90 and P90 come with a Ring Sights MC-10-80 reflex sight. From what I hear, it is about as craptastic as the TM red dot sight. From photos of the TM red dot, it looks like it mounts in the same manner as the Ring Sights MC-10-80. I heard from a P90 owner that the rails from the TM P90 fit perfectly on the P90, including the thread fit for the allen screws. I am mainly trying to replace the MC-10-80 with an aftermarket optic.

The brass collector is pretty much mandatory with the P90 and PS90 because each loaded cartridge is about 40 cents USD. You can sell the spent brass online as "once fired brass" for at least 10 cents a casing. I plan to use a large bucket.

Greylocks · January 19th, 2006, 07:23

Keep one thing in mind. Airsoft parts are not built to the same tolerance levels (and toughness) of real gun parts. They may look good, they may fit fine, but they cant stand the same amount of vibrations and abuse.

It's easy to take real gun parts and fit them to an airsoft gun simply because they are far better than what is needed. The reverse is not true.

metroplex · January 19th, 2006, 09:33

If it's milled aluminum, it's not very different from the "real" thing.

Plus, the recoil impulse from 5.7x28mm is only twice that of 22 LR. Ever fire a .22LR pistol or rifle? yeah... that's about as much recoil as you're going to get from the PS90/P90.

There are some US soldiers in Iraq that deployed with stuff they bought from Tapco, who primarily deals Leapers airsoft parts. Apparently some airsoft parts are advertised as being designed for real rifles, but who knows? I never had a problem with my AR-15's detach carry handle.

As long as the DTP tri-rail can fit on the PS90/P90, and can mount an optic on the top rail, I'll be happy. The real "steel" PS90/P90 uses a cast aluminum receiver, so it's not like they were designed to be used as hammers.

Right now, the reflex sight is useless in conditions other than broad daylight with dark targets. If you wear snow camo, the daylight reticle blends in with your camo. At night, assuming you can actually see through the 12mm sight with the dim tritium-lit reticle, you're going to lose sight of the target. I'd feel safer with a $30 G&P Aimpoint replica.

Mantelope · January 19th, 2006, 10:07

Three different top rails:
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=K2-SMB-P90
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=FF-SMB-P90
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...tm=DTP-SMB-P90

This is the side rail:
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...tm=TM-PT-P90-5
The screws don't have a part number so I don't know where you're going to be able to find them.

I don't know of any brass collectors available.

metroplex · January 19th, 2006, 10:29

The DTP P90 rail is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for the standard TM P90 red dot, uses the original screws (or so I'm told). Worst case scenario is that I buy some screws from a hardware store or order them from McMaster.

The iron sights on the PS90/P90 are OK but you need to offset the aiming to correct for the extreme windage difference. I wouldn't trust your life on the standard reflex sight in a defensive shooting situation. It was a great idea on paper, but was poorly implemented. Trijicon learned its mistakes from the Reflex with the new TriPower. The Ring Sights MC-10-80 suffers the same problems as the Trijicon Reflex. That is why the US Secret Service did not adopt the P90 with the MC-10-80. They went with an all new aluminum-housing black reticle sight that has the same fit and form as the standard MC-10-80. However, knowing FN Herstal, good luck ordering a USG reticle or getting one for less than $100 USD.

metroplex · January 19th, 2006, 11:09

Greylocks · January 19th, 2006, 18:58

"Ever fired a real .22?"

Assuming your age is 18 instead of 81, I've been shooting real guns of all kinds for longer than you've been alive. I think I got a few pointers and tricks you've only dreamed about.

About the mounts; the materials may be the same, but I doubt the quality and metal treatment is the same. That's my two cents based of what I know from real experience. Your money, your choice after all.

If you want to know more, ask on a forum that deals with real guns or ask a gunsmith.

firemachine69 · January 19th, 2006, 20:30

Well, I dunno there Grey. AR15.com had a thread about those cheap Ebay ACOG knock-offs, people seemed pretty satisfied with them...

metroplex · January 19th, 2006, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks

"Ever fired a real .22?"

Assuming your age is 18 instead of 81, I've been shooting real guns of all kinds for longer than you've been alive. I think I got a few pointers and tricks you've only dreamed about.

About the mounts; the materials may be the same, but I doubt the quality and metal treatment is the same. That's my two cents based of what I know from real experience. Your money, your choice after all.

If you want to know more, ask on a forum that deals with real guns or ask a gunsmith.

You took my statement totally out of context.
And I'm not sure if you read all of my posts in this thread, but the PS90 just came out. I got mine the first week of January. The P90s have been around for awhile but ALL of the accessories were previously sold only to Law enforcement. Everything is back ordered so no one can really help me out here, other than the Tokyo Marui P90 owners. Your red dot sight adjustment tool should work on the real PS90 / P90.

If you've fired a .22LR pistol or rifle, you should know there isn't much recoil. I've fired 5.56x45 NATO loads through my AR-15 and the recoil wasn't bad, but the impulse is twice that of 5.7x28. The 5.7x28 has negligible recoil, but twice that of 22LR, which isn't much to begin with. This is hardly a 458 Weatherby that will shatter cheap scopes.

As for quality and metal treatment, I have heard that Dentrinity rails are very well made. You can't really screw up Weaver or 1913 rails unless you tried. Cast rails rarely work, so it has to be milled. I'm not sure what material they are using, but I heard it was just an aluminum alloy. The real P90/PS90 receiver is cast aluminum, hardly strong material. The AR-15 uses forged aluminum, just as a comparison. I brought up the .22LR recoil because the PS90/P90 isn't going to be subject to extreme shock/vibration unless you use the gun as a hammer, catch my drift?

I've seen the "Real" FN rail for the P90 and for $122 USD, it's a ripoff. It looks just like the $40 airsoft rails. I am using a $40 USD leapers detach CH for my AR-15 and it has handled about 500+ rd of 5.56x45 NATO (M193 and M855) along with .223 Remington (lower chamber pressure and velocity). It's just a damn iron sight - as long as nothing moves around, it's good.

The PS90/P90 has a MAX effective range of 200m. All of the rifle ranges in the area are limited to 100yd. This isn't a 1600m match rifle we're talking about here, so cut me some slack.

metroplex · January 19th, 2006, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by firemachine69

Well, I dunno there Grey. AR15.com had a thread about those cheap Ebay ACOG knock-offs, people seemed pretty satisfied with them...

Yep, there are also lots of positive comments about the S.P.O.T. Aimpoints and the Hakko Tacpoints used on AR15s. They're too pricey for me though, I'm going with a Tasco 38mm red dot.

Greylocks · January 19th, 2006, 21:59

Do as you will, you're the expert, right? Have fun.

Tankdude · January 19th, 2006, 23:08

Grey, your just bitter because you don't have a PS90. I would love a chance to shoot it and field strip it.

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January 15th, 2006, 19:09	#1
metroplex Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MI, USA	Tokyo Marui P90 accessories and help needed I have a FN PS90 which is essentially the same as the P90 in terms of the optic/light/laser mounts. I heard that the TM P90 (w/ red dot) has rails that fit on the real P90 and PS90. The amazing part is that I heard the thread pitch is even the same for the screws holding the rails to the receiver! Does anyone know where I can find the side rails, and main optic rail for the TM P90 sold on the Internet? I know there's a TM P90TR which isn't the same as the regular P90/PS90 aluminium optic receiver. Also, I'm not sure if the TM P90 has a brass collector (not sure why you would need one... but), if so, it should work on the real P90. Do you know where I can buy one separately from the airsoft gun? Any help would be appreciated.

January 19th, 2006, 10:07	#7
Mantelope Scotty aka harleyb Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario	Three different top rails: http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=K2-SMB-P90 http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=FF-SMB-P90 http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...tm=DTP-SMB-P90 This is the side rail: http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...tm=TM-PT-P90-5 The screws don't have a part number so I don't know where you're going to be able to find them. I don't know of any brass collectors available. __________________

January 16th, 2006, 16:41	#2
metroplex Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MI, USA	ttt

January 19th, 2006, 00:41	#3
WingZER0 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2002	Wrong section; the PS90 is a real steel weapon. Secondly, which rails are you talking about? The TM P90's have a rail just on the right side of the RDS.... And no TM P90 has a brass collector. For a real steel civie shooter it's more useful if you're reloading ammunition. For LE and SWAT work it just makes sure there's none of your own brass on the ground for you to slip on.

January 19th, 2006, 05:56	#4
metroplex Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MI, USA	Thanks for pointing that out, but the TM P90 accessories will work on the real steel P90, which will work on the real steel PS90. Also, good luck finding ANY rails or accessories for the real steel P90/PS90. Nothing is in stock or if it is, it is RIDICULOUSLY priced ($80 USD for one side rail). I found what I needed, the Dentrinity DTP P90 tri-rail for the TM P90 AEG. From what I can see, it will work fine on the PS90. I just gotta wait for it to arrive from Hong Kong. The PS90 and P90 come with a Ring Sights MC-10-80 reflex sight. From what I hear, it is about as craptastic as the TM red dot sight. From photos of the TM red dot, it looks like it mounts in the same manner as the Ring Sights MC-10-80. I heard from a P90 owner that the rails from the TM P90 fit perfectly on the P90, including the thread fit for the allen screws. I am mainly trying to replace the MC-10-80 with an aftermarket optic. The brass collector is pretty much mandatory with the P90 and PS90 because each loaded cartridge is about 40 cents USD. You can sell the spent brass online as "once fired brass" for at least 10 cents a casing. I plan to use a large bucket.

January 19th, 2006, 07:23	#5
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Keep one thing in mind. Airsoft parts are not built to the same tolerance levels (and toughness) of real gun parts. They may look good, they may fit fine, but they cant stand the same amount of vibrations and abuse. It's easy to take real gun parts and fit them to an airsoft gun simply because they are far better than what is needed. The reverse is not true.

January 19th, 2006, 09:33	#6
metroplex Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MI, USA	If it's milled aluminum, it's not very different from the "real" thing. Plus, the recoil impulse from 5.7x28mm is only twice that of 22 LR. Ever fire a .22LR pistol or rifle? yeah... that's about as much recoil as you're going to get from the PS90/P90. There are some US soldiers in Iraq that deployed with stuff they bought from Tapco, who primarily deals Leapers airsoft parts. Apparently some airsoft parts are advertised as being designed for real rifles, but who knows? I never had a problem with my AR-15's detach carry handle. As long as the DTP tri-rail can fit on the PS90/P90, and can mount an optic on the top rail, I'll be happy. The real "steel" PS90/P90 uses a cast aluminum receiver, so it's not like they were designed to be used as hammers. Right now, the reflex sight is useless in conditions other than broad daylight with dark targets. If you wear snow camo, the daylight reticle blends in with your camo. At night, assuming you can actually see through the 12mm sight with the dim tritium-lit reticle, you're going to lose sight of the target. I'd feel safer with a $30 G&P Aimpoint replica.

January 19th, 2006, 10:29	#8
metroplex Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MI, USA	The DTP P90 rail is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for the standard TM P90 red dot, uses the original screws (or so I'm told). Worst case scenario is that I buy some screws from a hardware store or order them from McMaster. The iron sights on the PS90/P90 are OK but you need to offset the aiming to correct for the extreme windage difference. I wouldn't trust your life on the standard reflex sight in a defensive shooting situation. It was a great idea on paper, but was poorly implemented. Trijicon learned its mistakes from the Reflex with the new TriPower. The Ring Sights MC-10-80 suffers the same problems as the Trijicon Reflex. That is why the US Secret Service did not adopt the P90 with the MC-10-80. They went with an all new aluminum-housing black reticle sight that has the same fit and form as the standard MC-10-80. However, knowing FN Herstal, good luck ordering a USG reticle or getting one for less than $100 USD.

January 19th, 2006, 11:09	#9
metroplex Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MI, USA

January 19th, 2006, 18:58	#10
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	"Ever fired a real .22?" Assuming your age is 18 instead of 81, I've been shooting real guns of all kinds for longer than you've been alive. I think I got a few pointers and tricks you've only dreamed about. About the mounts; the materials may be the same, but I doubt the quality and metal treatment is the same. That's my two cents based of what I know from real experience. Your money, your choice after all. If you want to know more, ask on a forum that deals with real guns or ask a gunsmith.

January 19th, 2006, 21:59	#14
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Do as you will, you're the expert, right? Have fun.

January 19th, 2006, 23:08	#15
Tankdude Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Coast, New Brunswick	Grey, your just bitter because you don't have a PS90. I would love a chance to shoot it and field strip it.

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