Krytac or VFC - For A Beginner Gun [Upgrade Friendly]

[jamilism]

Hello Vetrans and Gun Dr ....

I am going to pull the plug and get a aeg riffle. I am caught between these three :

Krytac Full Metal Trident SPR Airsoft AEG Rifle - Black
http://www.uppercanadatactical.com/K...ck_p_1390.html

VFC VR16 Fighter CQB
http://www.uppercanadatactical.com/V...QB_p_1242.html

VFC VR16 Saber CQB
http://www.uppercanadatactical.com/V...QB_p_1240.html


which one should i get - i am somewhat of a noob and then not a noob. I have read enough to narrow down what's best for me.
I looked into many and have read alot on here and other forums. I chose the two brand because they have good reviews for starter guns. Krytac has a good build and VFC is known to be very good external and internal. I will eventually upgrade my guns for performance. So gun plummers - which one should i get for upgrades and mods ?

Or do the vets suggest a different brand ?

Thanks

[ProDoyle]

I have heeded the advice of Z because I want to have him eventually do the upgrades for me so I have ordered the VFC. I figure if he says they are better to work on, and I want him to do the work... well, why not listen to him

[brock0]

Vfc 100%

[BenG]

I would say the krytac if you dont plan on changing it, all the krytac requires is a hop up mod to make it a very above average gun, it has a mosfet and neo motor stock, billet aluminum receivers that make ptw users green.

on the other hand:

the VFC has cast aluminum recievers that are a little bit better then systemas, the internals are meh, and the motor specificly is terrible, arguably the worst ive ever had the displeasure of taking out of a gun, HOWEVER the krytac has propriatary components and that means your stuck with them and that means the VFC has the ability to become significantly better with upgrades if you have the right person do the mods!

so basicly it comes down to: above average performance for no work, or the best performance for alot of work. I should say that krytac and VFC will both shoot the same distance because you can mod the barrel groups exactly the same, the difference will be in the trigger and ROF, although the krytac is pretty quick even stock, and the krytac is very very easy to make into a DSG.

[MartinAirsoft]

BenG - For the krytac, what hop up mod are you referring to?

[chaz]

Originally Posted by BenG

I would say the krytac if you dont plan on changing it, all the krytac requires is a hop up mod to make it a very above average gun, it has a mosfet and neo motor stock, billet aluminum receivers that make ptw users green.

Kids, this is why you don't smoke cheap crack!

[ProDoyle]

Originally Posted by chaz

Kids, this is why you don't smoke cheap crack!

So expensive crack is ok though right?

[chaz]

Originally Posted by ProDoyle

So expensive crack is ok though right?

Of course.

[BenG]

Originally Posted by MartinAirsoft

BenG - For the krytac, what hop up mod are you referring to?

flat or Rhop either will do, the stock barrel isnt that great but its not worth changing unless your switching to a high quality stainless barrel like a PDI or Prometheus.

I should also mention although it does have a neo motor they are synthetic neo magnets and arnt the strongest things on the planet, and the krytac would benefit from a comprehensive shim job.

[BenG]

Originally Posted by chaz

Kids, this is why you don't smoke cheap crack!

alright so very above average was a stretch

[chaz]

Anything not VFC will give you chlamydia. Do you want chlamydia? Because that is how you get chlamydia!

[BenG]

Originally Posted by chaz

Anything not VFC will give you chlamydia. Do you want chlamydia? Because that is how you get chlamydia!

I digress, VFCs recievers are cast aluminum, the krytacs are billet the krytac has a built in mosfet, neo motor and a rotary hop up that will take more then one bucking, quick change spring. It walks all over the VFC. Which has none of those but does have a weak tappet plate, and a motor that provides about as much torque as a hamster in a wheel, the hop up is rotary but is way to snug to accept anything other then the stock vfc bucking without some serious pursuation. Why would I still reqomend VFC? Because the downfall of the krytac is propriatary parts which means that the VFC can be upgraded to surpass pretty much anything. Also VFC makes a 416

[chaz]

Originally Posted by BenG

the VFC can be upgraded to surpass pretty much anything.

/End discussion

[SuperHog]

Originally Posted by BenG

I digress, VFCs recievers are cast aluminum, the krytacs are billet the krytac has a built in mosfet, neo motor and a rotary hop up that will take more then one bucking, quick change spring. It walks all over the VFC. Which has none of those but does have a weak tappet plate, and a motor that provides about as much torque as a hamster in a wheel, the hop up is rotary but is way to snug to accept anything other then the stock vfc bucking without some serious pursuation. Why would I still reqomend VFC? Because the downfall of the krytac is propriatary parts which means that the VFC can be upgraded to surpass pretty much anything. Also VFC makes a 416

Krytac is Billet? Like CNC'd billet 6061? I have a Krytac, someone must have replaced it with a pot metal receiver.

[pestobanana]

I have seen this thread come up so many times I may go out of my way and make a writeup one of these days...

Krytac is not billet, I have no idea where you got that idea from. BenG I think you should get some more first hand experience before you start preaching so much. Krytac also has a shitty paint job, it scratches as soon as it touches a hard surface.

VFC is cast aluminum finished via CNC machining. I suspect Krytac would be the same. I used to work for the only Krytac dealer in Canada, I am now a partner with VFC Canada.

Krytac does not "walk all over VFC". Krytac has better wiring, better MOSFET, slightly better motor, but it still has shitty magnets. I have seen Krytac gears strip, I have seen Krytac gears come apart, I have also seen defective hop up assemblies.

Krytac is still a good contender for best AEG out of the box, but it is not a landslide by any means. It is also not that proprietary, you can put pretty much anything standard in the gearbox.

I have never seen a VFC gear set strip by itself, and I've worked on over 100 of them. VFC has a better air seal, more durable gear set, FAR BETTER externals, I have also never seen a defective VFC hop up assembly, I have only seen users break the old clear plastic ones.