TM AK47 jam

ChaosMonkey · November 2nd, 2005, 21:19

Hey

I need help :smack:

Last time i played, the fuse broke, so i thought it was only the batery. So i changed the fuse, tryed with a new battery and its not working. I can hear the a sound like if there wasnt enought power to do a full shoot. I can also feel this part is moving inside http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=338396
...Sorry i don't a thing about what my AEG have in it.. since i didnt have any problem with it yet. Can it be a piston jam or something like that ? Anybody know how to fix this ?

Thanks for your help.

CM

(I was about to trade it =/ )

FNG · November 2nd, 2005, 21:24

Is the gun new/used/stock/upgraded? What size fuse?

ChaosMonkey · November 2nd, 2005, 21:27

used and upgraded with a 15a fuse

Greylocks · November 2nd, 2005, 22:20

Psst, this section is for when you find Solutions to a problem, not for when you have a problem...
At least you're not alone making that mistake.

That part is loose? Then something is really badly installed. Motor mounts for AK are rock solid.
Change to a stronger fuse. 15 amp is far from enough, but have it checked by an expert to figure out what the upgrades were.

ChaosMonkey · November 2nd, 2005, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Psst, this section is for when you find Solutions to a problem, not for when you have a problem...
At least you're not alone making that mistake.

That part is loose? Then something is really badly installed. Motor mounts for AK are rock solid.
Change to a stronger fuse. 15 amp is far from enough, but have it checked by an expert to figure out what the upgrades were.

Haha.. sorry i didn't use my read skill " Sticky: Do NOT MAKE ANY POSTS IN THIS FORUM ASKING FOR HELP"

Sorry about that.. Thanks anyway.. Delete or move?

mcguyver · November 2nd, 2005, 23:01

don't use any fuse larger than 15 amp. they are rated to deliver 600% for 1 second (to allow for motor startup) and there is no need to increase it. ever. did you try charging your battery and make sure it has a full charge? if so this is the problem: you are experiencing a condition known in the motor world as a locked rotor condition. something is physically stopping the motor from turning (broken gear possibly. you'll have to open up the gearbox to find out. have a pro do that for you). if you increase the fuse size you will make matters worse when you burn out your motor windings (current squared x resistance). then you'll have to get a new motor as well as fix your gearbox problems. however a discharged or nearly discharged battery will give you the same symptoms as you describe. the motor will try to turn and you can feel it in the handle, but there is not enough current to complete startup so the movement stops without really turning the motor at all. it just sort of "wiggles".

Trader rating · November 2nd, 2005, 23:34

wires are backwards is my guess
either plug your battery in the opposit way that it is and try it, or reverse the wires to the motor.
happened to me before, gun was ment to use small battery connector but i used a large. the red and blackwires were reversed and it would turn like it had no power then blow the fuse.

give it a test

ChaosMonkey · November 2nd, 2005, 23:36

Thanks for the reply,

the battery is fully charged since it work well in another AEG, im pretty sure you are right about the motor.. i can hear it.. but something seems to block in it.. Anyway, im going to ship it the guy trading with me said that he know how to fix this so its going to be OK.

Thanks alot!

CM

Trader rating · November 3rd, 2005, 00:01

try the wire switch, easy as pie
i had the same problem that you described and it worked for me

Dozer_01 · November 3rd, 2005, 00:06

Yes the AK is coming back to Dozer. I miss that poor AK

Ill figure out whats wrong with it. Maybe its the scream intake valve?

Trader rating · November 3rd, 2005, 00:25

thats from monsters inc right?

Dozer_01 · November 3rd, 2005, 01:09

Yeah...figured i'd throw out an old quote from an animated movie...

siufay · November 7th, 2005, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droc

try the wire switch, easy as pie
i had the same problem that you described and it worked for me

if the wires are backwards then it would of never worked ever since then beginning..

Dozer_01 · November 8th, 2005, 02:14

Ok, i cracked out the good ol' multi meter and did some trouble shooting. The motor is the bastard on this one. The motor is getting the current to it with minimal voltage drop (due to connections etc etc. I took apart the motor housing to confirm nothing in the mechbox had seized. I took out the motor and the bastard turns a slight amount with a small humming sound.

I think the KM's on the gun along with the PDI 150% just killed her slowly...

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November 2nd, 2005, 21:19	#1
ChaosMonkey Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Montreal	TM AK47 jam Hey I need help :smack: Last time i played, the fuse broke, so i thought it was only the batery. So i changed the fuse, tryed with a new battery and its not working. I can hear the a sound like if there wasnt enought power to do a full shoot. I can also feel this part is moving inside http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=338396 ...Sorry i don't a thing about what my AEG have in it.. since i didnt have any problem with it yet. Can it be a piston jam or something like that ? Anybody know how to fix this ? Thanks for your help. CM (I was about to trade it =/ )

November 3rd, 2005, 00:06	#10
Dozer_01 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario	Yes the AK is coming back to Dozer. I miss that poor AK Ill figure out whats wrong with it. Maybe its the scream intake valve? __________________ LLTP

November 3rd, 2005, 01:09	#12
Dozer_01 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario	Yeah...figured i'd throw out an old quote from an animated movie... __________________ LLTP

November 2nd, 2005, 21:24	#2
FNG Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto	Is the gun new/used/stock/upgraded? What size fuse?

November 2nd, 2005, 21:27	#3
ChaosMonkey Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Montreal	used and upgraded with a 15a fuse

November 2nd, 2005, 22:20	#4
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Psst, this section is for when you find Solutions to a problem, not for when you have a problem... At least you're not alone making that mistake. That part is loose? Then something is really badly installed. Motor mounts for AK are rock solid. Change to a stronger fuse. 15 amp is far from enough, but have it checked by an expert to figure out what the upgrades were.

November 2nd, 2005, 23:01	#6
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	don't use any fuse larger than 15 amp. they are rated to deliver 600% for 1 second (to allow for motor startup) and there is no need to increase it. ever. did you try charging your battery and make sure it has a full charge? if so this is the problem: you are experiencing a condition known in the motor world as a locked rotor condition. something is physically stopping the motor from turning (broken gear possibly. you'll have to open up the gearbox to find out. have a pro do that for you). if you increase the fuse size you will make matters worse when you burn out your motor windings (current squared x resistance). then you'll have to get a new motor as well as fix your gearbox problems. however a discharged or nearly discharged battery will give you the same symptoms as you describe. the motor will try to turn and you can feel it in the handle, but there is not enough current to complete startup so the movement stops without really turning the motor at all. it just sort of "wiggles".

November 2nd, 2005, 23:34	#7
Droc Guest Trader rating	wires are backwards is my guess either plug your battery in the opposit way that it is and try it, or reverse the wires to the motor. happened to me before, gun was ment to use small battery connector but i used a large. the red and blackwires were reversed and it would turn like it had no power then blow the fuse. give it a test

November 2nd, 2005, 23:36	#8
ChaosMonkey Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Montreal	Thanks for the reply, the battery is fully charged since it work well in another AEG, im pretty sure you are right about the motor.. i can hear it.. but something seems to block in it.. Anyway, im going to ship it the guy trading with me said that he know how to fix this so its going to be OK. Thanks alot! CM

November 3rd, 2005, 00:01	#9
Droc Guest Trader rating	try the wire switch, easy as pie i had the same problem that you described and it worked for me

November 3rd, 2005, 00:25	#11
Droc Guest Trader rating	thats from monsters inc right?

November 8th, 2005, 02:14	#14
Dozer_01 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario	Ok, i cracked out the good ol' multi meter and did some trouble shooting. The motor is the bastard on this one. The motor is getting the current to it with minimal voltage drop (due to connections etc etc. I took apart the motor housing to confirm nothing in the mechbox had seized. I took out the motor and the bastard turns a slight amount with a small humming sound. I think the KM's on the gun along with the PDI 150% just killed her slowly... __________________ LLTP

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