VFC VR16. what to chose?

[warplane04]

I never hold a M4 in my ilfe and I want to get the good version for me.
I'm 5'10". Most of my game will be in the wood outdoor.

First of all, I wonder if a longer barrel means a longer range?
Vega Force Company Full Metal VR16 Saber CQB (285mm)
Vega Force Company Full Metal VR16 Tactical Elite2 Carbine (363mm)

And If I add a silencer, will it change anything?

[Shamusodoofus]

In Airsoft, a longer barrel does not always mean longer effective range. The popular misconception that many people have is believing the physics behind real steal guns can be applied to airsoft. This is not true.

The two things that have the greatest impact on effective range are hop up and FPS. FPS essentially determines how much energy the BB has. Obviously the more energy you have the greater potential range you can achieve. This, however, does not automatically mean a 500 FPS gun will always out range a 300 FPS gun. The hop up gives the BB backspin which thus increases effective range. A higher quality hop up will provide a more consistent backspin and thus greater accuracy/range. What a longer barrel will do is possibly increasing the FPS and groupings at longer ranges.

A suppressor in airsoft can be functional (if it's foam filled), but the difference in sound is very minimal. It will not suppress a gun's sound the same way a real steel suppressor does. For the most part though, don't expect any changes. It will have negligible effects on range/accuracy.

In short, VFC is a quality brand. Choose whichever gun you like more, they will both perform similarly until you start upgrading.

If you have a look at the sticky'd posts in the upgrade/modification subforum you will find a lot of information that can answer your questions better.

[warplane04]

Thank you for the reply

[Zack The Ripper]

Barrel length means very little unless the inner barrel is less than 250-280mm. You can tune barrel groupings very well based on cylinder size, barrel length, hop chamber, hop rubber, and BB weight.

However, generally speaking, a R-Hoped 455mm Prometheus 6.03mm bore tight bore barrel and a gearbox using a full cylinder is the universally agreed upon "best" barrel grouping setup. This is obviously not truly universal, but is a good go to if you want a guarantee for most builds. You could do this with a 14.5" barrel AR platform that has a 7" mock suppressor mounted to the muzzle to hide the inner barrel. It's a good base to work from if you want that look, or you can just go with a full length M16 barrel set.

Suppressors only muffle sound if there is foam in the can and there is a some measure of distance from inner barrel muzzle to suppressor muzzle - there needs to be space for the air to be dispersed. It's a noticeable difference, however not by a large margin. The cons to a suppressor is that your BBs may make contact with the inside of the suppressor and become detrimental to your accuracy. Suppressors are good for CQB or night games if you want an added element of stealth, but ultimately if you build a gearbox properly the gun should be very quiet as it is. Firing on semi using an already quiet gun without a foam suppressor will not be that much louder from 100 feet in the woods than the same gun with a foam suppressor.

If you want full stealth, get a foam suppressor and end your inner barrel at the barrel muzzle. If you want the best accuracy possible, have the inner barrel go right to the very end of the outer barrel/mock suppressor.

Make sure you get your gearbox shimmed correctly and get a quality motor that way your gun will run quick and QUIET.

For outdoors, get your velocity setup as close to 400fps as you can with hop up OFF, but don't go over as most outdoor field limits are 400fps. Use heavy ammo, 0.28g BBs or heavier; probably heavier. Heavier rounds are not as subject to air misdirection from wind, and heavier rounds tend to achieve a flatter trajectory from muzzle to target.

If you live in the GTA and want your gun made awesome, PM pestobanana here on ASC. Every gun he touches turns awesome.

[warplane04]

Wow, thank you for this nice post
real gold. I will buy an inner barrel with a 7" suppresor (the look I want)^^

[warplane04]

Someone here know the biggest 11.1V battery I can fit in the stock?

[pestobanana]

Originally Posted by warplane04

Someone here know the biggest 11.1V battery I can fit in the stock?

Turnigy Nano-Tech 11.1V 1.3 Ah 25-50C

[warplane04]

I ordered an Elite II version today.

what kind of upgrade I can do on this? (barrel with a silencer)

[pestobanana]

Originally Posted by warplane04

I ordered an Elite II version today.

what kind of upgrade I can do on this? (barrel with a silencer)

You have a VFC M4 platform, you can do pretty much anything you want.

[warplane04]

I changed my mind and my order and I took the VR 16 CQB instead of the elite 2.

[warplane04]

Originally Posted by Zack The Ripper

Barrel length means very little unless the inner barrel is less than 250-280mm. You can tune barrel groupings very well based on cylinder size, barrel length, hop chamber, hop rubber, and BB weight.

However, generally speaking, a R-Hoped 455mm Prometheus 6.03mm bore tight bore barrel and a gearbox using a full cylinder is the universally agreed upon "best" barrel grouping setup. This is obviously not truly universal, but is a good go to if you want a guarantee for most builds. You could do this with a 14.5" barrel AR platform that has a 7" mock suppressor mounted to the muzzle to hide the inner barrel. It's a good base to work from if you want that look, or you can just go with a full length M16 barrel set.

Suppressors only muffle sound if there is foam in the can and there is a some measure of distance from inner barrel muzzle to suppressor muzzle - there needs to be space for the air to be dispersed. It's a noticeable difference, however not by a large margin. The cons to a suppressor is that your BBs may make contact with the inside of the suppressor and become detrimental to your accuracy. Suppressors are good for CQB or night games if you want an added element of stealth, but ultimately if you build a gearbox properly the gun should be very quiet as it is. Firing on semi using an already quiet gun without a foam suppressor will not be that much louder from 100 feet in the woods than the same gun with a foam suppressor.

If you want full stealth, get a foam suppressor and end your inner barrel at the barrel muzzle. If you want the best accuracy possible, have the inner barrel go right to the very end of the outer barrel/mock suppressor.

Make sure you get your gearbox shimmed correctly and get a quality motor that way your gun will run quick and QUIET.

For outdoors, get your velocity setup as close to 400fps as you can with hop up OFF, but don't go over as most outdoor field limits are 400fps. Use heavy ammo, 0.28g BBs or heavier; probably heavier. Heavier rounds are not as subject to air misdirection from wind, and heavier rounds tend to achieve a flatter trajectory from muzzle to target.

If you live in the GTA and want your gun made awesome, PM pestobanana here on ASC. Every gun he touches turns awesome.

Hi, where I can find this part?
can you be more specific? I looked on airsoftpart.ca and I found the 6.03, but I don't know what to chose for the hop up and the cylinder

[warplane04]

What do you think of this?:

[Datawraith]

Buddy, we gots a saying in airsoft; if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It's a VFC! It's one of the best darn rifles out there on the market!
If you are new to airsoft (going to assume you are), this will be probably the best performing stock rifle you can have. Don't forget, when you introduce upgrades and parts foreign to the stock gun, the reliability can, and probably will, be reduced.
Just run it until it fails (but DO treat it still with care, don't abuse her or else), and then when you bring it to a gundoc, get the upgrades put in then.

[pestobanana]

Originally Posted by warplane04

What do you think of this?:

That's a good barrel, but 455 isn't necessary. I run 407 and I sometimes feel its a bit annoying. To be honest, a 300mm barrel will do you just fine. Zach runs a 300mm barrel and I don't think he has anything to complain about accuracy wise.

As for your hop up, ProWin usually has compatibility issues with VFC guns. Major nozzle misalignment. The Guarder black rubber... It literally doesn't do anything better than your stock VFC rubber. Get a bridge hop setup.

[ThunderCactus]

The 455mm barrel thing is a bit of a misconception. What was meant, was that a 455mm barrel is most efficient on a FULL CYLINDER. As opposed to a 509 barrel.

ptw's and aeg's use the exact same physics and a lot of the same internals, and you can get amazing accuracy on just a 9" barrel (TW5s). That being said, GBBR physics aren't significantly different and amazing range and accuracy is possible on a 5" barrel.