Good range for a GBB

[Mr. Barlow]

Question:

What is considered a good range for a GBB. Can they hold up against AEGs?

I have a TM Hi Capa 5.1 and i use propane for it.It seems to outrange some AEGs. Any clue what the normalrange for a Hi Capa is?

[TheYellowDart]

The range of a GBB depends on temperature and type of gas used. Propane on a summer day will normally give you an FPS of over 300, which is higher than the 280 of a stock AEG. So yea, you can outrange a stock AEG easily.

[Grim Fandango]

err, FPS does not equal range. You're comparing apples to oranges. As for the hicapa, yes it can reach ranges equal to that of a stock AEG. Other GBBs? Well it depends on the GBB. Some GBBs have good range, some have good power. Some have both, some don't.

[TheYellowDart]

Yes, FPS does equal range. Doesn't have to mean accurate range, but, yes, it does mean range.

[Grim Fandango]

Originally Posted by Myoga

Yes, FPS does equal range. Doesn't have to mean accurate range, but, yes, it does mean range.

Possibly in real steel terms. However not in airsoft terms. The ballistics in airsoft are much different. Range on an airosft rifle depend on inner barrel length and a properly tuned hopup. There are many variables that affect an airsoft guns range, FPS and performance.

[TheYellowDart]

Two guns with properly adjusted hop-ups and the same length barrel. The one with a higher FPS will shoot farther.

Barrel length and diameter affect the flight of the bb by giving the bb a greater length to accelerate, therefore increasing FPS, and by stabilizing the bb, so it doesn't wobble as much. (Real bullets, including tank shells, all wobble a little bit after leaving the barrel)

By FPS i mean the speed the bb is moving when exiting the barrel.

A higher FPS bb always has more potential to go farther than a slower bb of the same type.

[surebet]

Yes, but as you point out, this holds true when you take two guns with the same hop-up and barrel lenght. An AEG and a GBB are likely to have no where near the same specifications for these components, so more FPS does not always equal more range.

[Affliction]

Originally Posted by Myoga

Two guns with properly adjusted hop-ups and the same length barrel. The one with a higher FPS will shoot farther.

Barrel length and diameter affect the flight of the bb by giving the bb a greater length to accelerate, therefore increasing FPS, and by stabilizing the bb, so it doesn't wobble as much. (Real bullets, including tank shells, all wobble a little bit after leaving the barrel)

By FPS i mean the speed the bb is moving when exiting the barrel.

A higher FPS bb always has more potential to go farther than a slower bb of the same type.

Grim is still right, FPS is not range.

If you have absolutely no hop-up at all, your rifle would still fire at the normal FPS, it just wouldn't go very far after it went 6-7 inches out of the barrel.

Two guns with properly adjusted hop-ups and the same length barrel. The one with a higher FPS will shoot farther.

This is irrelevant to how you said

Yes, FPS does equal range. Doesn't have to mean accurate range, but, yes, it does mean range.

FPS is a FACTOR of range but does not allow you to determine the range of your projectile.

[TheYellowDart]

FPS is the biggest factor.

[manchovie]

actually a proper hopup is the biggest factor. if your hop is shitty, your range will suck. unless youre being a stickler and saying that something goes further if it's got more force behind it because i cant deny that. what use is more distance if you cant predict where it's goin? from now on, range will mean effective target whacking distance, not distance in general, and for that sir you need a nice hop.

a properly tuned hicapa has ludicrous range thanks to tm's nice hop and barrel unit. pistols also get less wear put on them than aegs so it's safe to assume that a used tm aeg with an old bucking and older style tm hop system (the hicapas is reasonably new) will have less range than a newish hicapa. that doesnt mean it's easier to peg people at distance with it. i found that (with my hicapa) the shots may travel in a straight line but placing said line where you want it to be is rather tough for long shots, and following up a nice shot is a lot harder than just setting an aeg to auto and following the white stream of victory.

as for the original question, if conditions are right you can quite easily hit an unsuspecting target at 70ft with a hicapa, but it being a pistol, you'll find most of your hits will be within 45ft.

[ILL9MIL]

Hop-Up is crap. Squeezing a BB to create backspin sucks,. Causes huge inconsistancies bewteen shots. I take out the hop up in all my gas guns. My Super KSC G19 which has a 178mm tightbore, can hit a coke can at over 200 feet with a .2g bb every shot. It shoots about 450 FPS. Hop up is gay, if you have serious power and a long barrel you dont need it. manchovie, youre nuts if you think hop-up increases consistancy with range, all it does is increase range and totally screws up accuracy and precision ,which is why all Japanese target race guns dont use hop-up!!!!

PS, the more hop-up you have, the less power you have, Hop-ups just squeeze BBs to creat backspin, when you turn off or take out the hop up you are no longer forcing the BB thru the tight ass hop up unit, so more power goes to projecting the BB.

[Affliction]

Originally Posted by ILL9MIL

Hop-Up is crap. Squeezing a BB to create backspin sucks,. Causes huge inconsistancies bewteen shots. I take out the hop up in all my gas guns. My Super KSC G19 which has a 178mm tightbore, can hit a coke can at over 200 feet with a .2g bb every shot. It shoots about 450 FPS. Hop up is gay, if you have serious power and a long barrel you dont need it. manchovie, youre nuts if you think hop-up increases consistancy with range, all it does is increase range and totally screws up accuracy and precision.

Either you're new to airsoft or you just lack intelligence.

If your BB does not spin, it will not be able to penetrate air resistance as well as a spinning BB.

An airsoft without hop-up will shoot a BB that may have a high muzzle velocity, but the projectile will fall VERY rapidly.

[ILL9MIL]

Originally Posted by VipaMave

Either you're new to airsoft or you just lack intelligence.

If your BB does not spin, it will not be able to penetrate air resistance as well as a spinning BB.

An airsoft without hop-up will shoot a BB that may have a high muzzle velocity, but the projectile will fall VERY rapidly.

Ever have a gas gun with no hop up and a long ass inner barrel ?

Maruzen Mp5k with 300mm inner barrel, hits coke cans every shot at 300feet.
NO HOP UP


NO HOP UP
KWA MAC11 with 200mm inner barrel, hits coke cans every shot at 250+feet


NO HOP UP
KSC G19 with 178mm inner barrel, hits coke cans every shot at 200+feet


You dont know shit if you think BBs will drop "very rapidly" without hopup. Are you sure YOU'RE not new to airsoft ??? Why do you think the Japs use target race guns that have no hop-up? geee I wonder

[TheYellowDart]

Hop-up is for backspin, to give the bb lift so it can counter the force of gravity and go farther.

A gun with no hop-up will still have some spin, but probably front spin. If it didn't spin at all, the bb would fly all over the place, just like a knuckle ball in baseball. This has to do with the turbulent flow around the bb/ball. If it spins enough, the low air pressure point at the wake of the bb stays in relatively constant position. With no spin, the low pressure point wanders around and disturbs the path of the bb/ball.

[Goldman]

You do realize that a 450 FPS pistol is totally overkill? The whole point of sidearms for the most part, is to have a lower -powerd bakc up gun that you can use to engage at closer ranges, like, whats the point of having a pistol with THAT much power just to be able to engage that (which i doubt, I would like to see proof of this 200 foot shot on .2s on a coke can). or the MP5K's hit at 300+ feet. I Decalre that your either a liar, or you can't measure/approximate distance for shit.

Where is my proof?

My 400 FPS C7A2, M16A2 length tightbore, with no hop up, will NOT shoot that far.