Mask & modify product Quality?

[ScooterVauto]

Good day everyone.
I am going to do a light upgrade to my TM M733 with a Version 2 Box.
Since i am going to have the mechbox open to install bearings, shims,
Upgraded spring guide (ARS Bearing) & a Modify 100 or 110 Spring and re grease the system (thanks Mechbox.com)

I was thinking since i have to dis-assemble the Piston head to remove the stock spring,
I might upgrade the Piston head while its already open (Saves ever needing to open the Mechbox again)

what is the general consensus of the MASk line of parts..

MASK Sorbo Piston Head with Bearing - New Version
for V2, V3, V6, and V7 gearbox
and a Sorbo Pad for V2/V3 Cylinder Head - New Version

while your at it, what about the Modify springs??


thanks
sv

[HKGhost]

I've heard the ARS Mask piston head are pretty good. Much better than most other piston heads out there. I'm use a Modify SP110 spring and it's doing very good. It doesn't lose much fps even after being left in the gun and not used for awhile. The spring is soft enough so it's easy to install but still holds a punch. I'm getting about 405-410 fps, so that's very close to what they claim.

[ScooterVauto]

outstanding
I am pretty sure i have to stay under 400 for local Field compatability So a 100 it is
thanks HK

[Schwag]

Hk, you're getting that out of a modify 110?

Normally modify 110 gives you around 350. The 120 is around 400 which is what I get and I use both in my guns.

Anyway Scooter, Modify makes great stuff. If you're upgrading a stock tm, get yourself some metal bushings too. Those plastic ones are shit and won't last long over 300 fps.
I also recommend their air seal nozzles and cylinder heads.

Mask sorbo stuff is also really good. I run high rof/fps v2 and v3 boxes on lipo and wouldn't think of building a lipo box(especially v2) without sorbo pads and heads.
In a weak stock tm v2 box, I bet they would extend the box life nicely

[m102404]

It depends a lot on your setup.

Definitely swap to solid metal bushings if you don't have them. Modify make good ones.

With a Modify S110 it's quite easy to get up to 380-400 (maybe a bit higher) with simple things like a bearing spring guide, tightbore, excellent compression and tight setup. If you're chronying right at 400...it should drop a bit as things settle in.

Chrony readings will vary a bit depending on battery strength, flash hider length and between unit to unit....so err on the side of caution and leave 5-10% of room when setting up for a game. Also chrony with the hopup set either off...or just barely on enough to stop the BBs from rolling down the barrel on their own. That way you'll know the max that your setup will chrony, won't go any higher than that.

TM pistons, piston heads and cylinders (unless damaged) are one of the best combos out there. If they're in good shape I wouldn't hesitate to use them again.

A Modify S100 in a typical setup will put you between 340-360. So either you're going to be very, very close to typical indoor limits or over. It's easier on everything/everyone if you use a S90 (320-340 range in a mildly upgraded setup).

If you go with the mask stuff...be sure to setup your tooth clearance. The loss of air volume due to the mask setup will mess with your velocities a bit.

[fleuryfighter]

a madbull m110 gave me 410 fps...

[HKGhost]

Yea, I'm hitting a little over 400 with that spring. And that's after it's been settled in. Great spring from Modify. If I do some more tinkering, I might get some more fps out of my gun.

Originally Posted by Schwag

Hk, you're getting that out of a modify 110?

[coach]

In my opinion, according to their ratings, modify springs are rated a little high. I've never gotten close to their numbers even with similar setups.

[ScooterVauto]

Hi again everyone
Ordered from Duy

24 Modify Stainless Steel Shims
Sorbo Pad for V2/V3 Cylinder Head - New Version
ARS High Spin Bearing Spring Guide - V2
MASK Sorbo Piston Head with Bearing - New Version
Modify S110 AEG Upgrade Spring
Modify 6mm Stainless Steel Bushings - Double Oil Channel
should climb up in the 360 to 380 range top end
running Stock hopup but might drop in the Promethius 433mm 603 (but then i'll need 80mm silencer to cover up the stickin out bits hahahah

Thanks again guys and Gals.
Once the parts arrive, I'll drop them in and do a M733 chrono and cans
for the you tube
SV

[HKGhost]

Don't use those bushings. They might fuck up your gear axle. Get the solid bushing.

Originally Posted by ScooterVauto

Hi again everyone
Ordered from Duy

24 Modify Stainless Steel Shims
Sorbo Pad for V2/V3 Cylinder Head - New Version
ARS High Spin Bearing Spring Guide - V2
MASK Sorbo Piston Head with Bearing - New Version
Modify S110 AEG Upgrade Spring
Modify 6mm Stainless Steel Bushings - Double Oil Channel
should climb up in the 360 to 380 range top end
running Stock hopup but might drop in the Promethius 433mm 603 (but then i'll need 80mm silencer to cover up the stickin out bits hahahah

Thanks again guys and Gals.
Once the parts arrive, I'll drop them in and do a M733 chrono and cans
for the you tube
SV

[ScooterVauto]

Items already shipped.
I found a little info pertaining Directly to a TM v2 box that states
"Warning severe mechbox damage can occur if the bushings are not seated correctly.
to prevent damage ensure the bearings are seated fully. An audiable click will be heard when the Bushing is properly seated" "always shim as nesessary to preven gear wobble and premature wear."

so Im a test subject again hahaha.
Thanks HK, just hit a little late
SV

[ThunderCactus]

Remember, there's no such thing as gear timing LOL

[ScooterVauto]

HI TC.
the only reason i am even attempting a Gearbox upgrade was simply due to the Mechbox.com tutorial Video.. it actually showes how to set the gears for
assmebly, is there more "timing" that needs to be done?
SV

[Kos-Mos]

As long as you place the sector gear disengaged from the piston, the tappet plate behind it and the anti-reversal correcly, there is no such thing as timing.

[ThunderCactus]

It's a misconception most people have from that specific mechbox tutorial video, they used "timing" for lack of a better word.
Gear timing comes from having 2 separate, interfaced gears, that each control mechanisms which need to be activated at a certain point on a cycle. Like the valves in your car engine.
But in a mechbox, everything is timed off the sector gear, so there's no such thing as gear timing.
The joke is, that if something goes wrong with a noob's first upgrade attempt, it was probably the gear timing