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Old July 16th, 2010, 06:22   #1
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Cansoft SRC M4 RIS

So Ive been wanting to do this review for awhile but havent had the time to do so, until now. So here it goes.

PRICE: $460

INCLUDES:
Fore Grip, 7 inch src rail system, 300 round full metal high capcity magazine, cleaning/unjamming rod, crane stock, carrying handle, and Rail covers (no battery or charger)

Externals:
so this is where my biggest issues with the src guns accur. at first glance and feel the gun feels very solid but after closer inspection i noticed the following problems,

-Almost every single screw (including those holding the gear box together) were stripped
-the mag catch is angled into the lower reciever
-the charging handle broke after some use (the plastic piece holding the charging handle to the fake bolt that is)
-the reciever pins are not very tight in the gun and the screws holding it on the oppisite side came stripped aswell
-the steel barrel came stock extremely loose and needs tightening, but on the brightside its a great looking one piece barrel
-the two piece metal rail (either steel or an aluminum mix) wobbles, the lower piece is about 1mm to small and is to loose in between the delta ring and the hand guard ring
-the aluminum upper reciever has weak tabs and lots of src owners have broken theirs, mine even came straight from "insert store name here" with broken tabs
-class fiber lower reciever molding is poor and wobbles alot, aswell is has paint fades and most importantly, it broke at the reciever pin holes
-buffer tube is strong (not sure what kind of metal) but not milspec
-stock wobbles a bit but not enough to warrant a new stock
-it being a rear wired gun, the wires came assembled running through the lower reciver back tube which makes changing the reciever a big problem

Internals:
pretty good internals, the gear box and motor are definatley the best part about the gun
-see
http://www.007airsoft.com/gngvssrc.htm
for internal review
-6.04mm inner barrel has a factory defect causing the barrel to be built with a slight bend
-super high torque motor runs like a champ

Performance:
this gun shoots 400 fps out of the box due to its M120 spring. Feeding is flawless but I havent really tested lots of mags in it. personally i use MAG brand full metal mags, and magpul PTS PMAGS. Trigger response is average so make sure you complete a trigger pull or you wont finish cycling a bb and your next shot will be a double feed. this gun shoots about 16 RPS which i think is perfect.

Take down:
the take down of the src m4 is the most annoying part of all. something as simple as "cracking" open the recievers to change the barrel and hop up is IMPOSSIBLE!!! To achieve this you have to do a full take down taking off the buffer tube, grip, pins, etc. then you have to remove the lower reciever and carefully slide the upper off of the lower, and all this assuming you found a way to remove the wires from the lower reciever back tube (i cut my reciever open after intense frustration.....and i had a replacement one anyways).

Personal required mods:
Being pretty OCD myself i had to replace and fix everything about the gun the was broken, so heres the mods i did
-replaced stock upper with VLTOR style upper
-replaced stock lower with a self painted src gen 3 2.0 glass fiber lower (still a minor so i cant get a metal lower yet)
-removed broken charging handle inner attachment, fake bolt, and replaced the spring with a reverse spring, i.e. the dust cover and charging handle perform like a G&G
-dremeled out cut out in the lower reciever back tube to run wires through it
-replaced stock rail with madbull noveske 10 inch free float rail
-replaced stock inner barrel with systema precision inner barrel
-added other asthetic parts like magpul moe grip, ca vltor mod stock, etc.

Conclusion:
My overall opinion of this gun is that it is a hassle if your serious about airsoft or want to get your moneys worth. for the more casual airsofter, or the airsofter on a budget its good especially since the internals are very good. But if your more serious about airsoft (i.e. you take care of your guns, replace stock parts, etc.) then your much better off going with something like VFC, CA, ICS, KWA or even G&G. Price is OK but i ended up spending 230 bucks on parts that needed replacing due to brakage or its pure stupid design.

for the casual airsofter i give it a 7/10
recomendation for the casual airsofter is to go with a new full metal G&G rifle. the internals may not be as great but the casual airsofter is likely not going to wear down the internals as much

but for the serious more dedicated airsofter i give it a 4/10
recomendation for the serious airsofter, go with a ICS or VFC, price is higher on VFC but they are solid, no question.
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Old July 16th, 2010, 06:32   #2
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src guns shouldnt come like that. it has to be a factory defect or maybe my 210$ src m933 is more sturdy then that gun
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Old July 17th, 2010, 00:14   #3
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I have one a SRC pre-production gen 3 aeg (back from 2007), its full aluminium though

So here's what I noticed about your review....

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-Almost every single screw (including those holding the gear box together) were stripped
-the reciever pins are not very tight in the gun and the screws holding it on the oppisite side came stripped aswell

Dude... seems like you're the one causing the screws to strip... are you using ASA or METRIC tools? because all screws on a non-US product are METRIC!

I've had some screw threading strip on my SRC, but that was because of me over using them and over tightening the screws... cmon dude... use gentle force with your screws, and the correct tools!

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-the mag catch is angled into the lower reciever
I've had the same issue with mine reassembling it, and that's because you didn't correctly install your lower body!

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-the charging handle broke after some use (the plastic piece holding the charging handle to the fake bolt that is)
Please be gentle with your aeg charging handle...

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-the steel barrel came stock extremely loose and needs tightening, but on the brightside its a great looking one piece barrel
This IS a common problem with almost all out-of-the-box aegs... even TM/VFC/CA

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-the aluminum upper reciever has weak tabs and lots of src owners have broken theirs, mine even came straight from "insert store name here" with broken tabs
Gotta agree with you on that...

But that happens to almost all m4 aeg variants...

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-stock wobbles a bit but not enough to warrant a new stock

Nothing tape cant fix.... (this is...AGAIN a common problem with AEG... even the after market ones!)

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-it being a rear wired gun, the wires came assembled running through the lower reciver back tube which makes changing the reciever a big problem
AEG are not made to switch uppers or lowers, like a Real Steel gun, because of the gearbox and the wires (unless you get a ICS of PTW)


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Take down:
the take down of the src m4 is the most annoying part of all. something as simple as "cracking" open the recievers to change the barrel and hop up is IMPOSSIBLE!!! To achieve this you have to do a full take down taking off the buffer tube, grip, pins, etc. then you have to remove the lower reciever and carefully slide the upper off of the lower, and all this assuming you found a way to remove the wires from the lower reciever back tube (i cut my reciever open after intense frustration.....and i had a replacement one anyways).
Did you forget to take off the mechbox pin?
or
Did you mean "slide off the gearbox from the upper receiver"?

PS: yes those guns are a pain in the a$$ to disassemble, because of a specific/unique design of the SRC body

PPS: See? frustration again... please be gentle with your gun....

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-replaced stock lower with a self painted src gen 3 2.0 glass fiber lower (still a minor so i cant get a metal lower yet)
Why did you replace the old clear lower, with another EXACTLY same lower?


PS: You might also have been victim of the rare cases of SRC lemons, but I would highly doubt that, since the cansoft ones have extra Quality Control, and lemons were only a problem with pre-production models....
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Old July 17th, 2010, 00:29   #4
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I find this review fairly accurate since I had recently did a take down on mine.

I also found that the hop up comes with a concave style spacer molded into the arm, so it doesn't give adequate hop up even when it is fully adjusted.

After I had replaced my inner barrel and hop up nub in my VFC Scar I was very tempted to put my SRC M-4 in the trash!
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Old July 17th, 2010, 03:32   #5
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gunnymcsmith, note all these problems were straight out of the box. none of these problems were due to me NOT BEING GENTLE =D
I am extremely careful with my guns and have never had problems with my other AEG's, this could be a dud but both my friends and his dads src m4's came with almost all the same problems. the charging handle plastic came with extreme stress already applied, and broke off with very slight use.

once again to confirm, ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS ARE OUT OF THE BOX PROBLEMS, none are due to misuse or not being careful with the gun.
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Old July 17th, 2010, 03:34   #6
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Why did you replace the old clear lower, with another EXACTLY same lower?




to answer that question, I got a replacement one for free and its a gen 3 2.0 aka more precise molding and better used glass fiber material.

and im a minor and dont have access to a full metal lower.
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Old March 12th, 2011, 17:51   #7
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Hey, I just found this model at the Halifax Army Surplus store for $320. Does that mean I just found a really good deal or that it's a bad gun?
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Old March 17th, 2011, 00:17   #8
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I second on the review. It's accurate. I have a M4 gen3 pro and it is a pain to take down. You do have to take off the stock tube, remove all the pins, and the grip and remove the upper on an angle. Unlike G&G where all you need to do is remove the front pin and slide the upper off.

The grip screw holes stripped very easily unlike the G&G which has 4 screw holes and are solid.

The mechbox is difficult to work on unlike the G&G where things fit and assemble easier.

SRC wins when it comes to the body. It's aluminum and has a very nice matte finish. Unlike the G&G which is made of cheap metal that is very porous.
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Old April 4th, 2011, 23:46   #9
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where do you get your MAG mags?
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Old May 21st, 2011, 04:35   #10
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where do you get your MAG mags?
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Old May 21st, 2011, 23:40   #11
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This IS a common problem with almost all out-of-the-box aegs... even TM/VFC/CA
I got a VFC SR-15 and I have absolutely ZERO wobble.
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