Russian Camo in Afghanistan

VDV · March 31st, 2010, 13:06

What types of Camouflage were used in Afghanistan? Who used them? and where could I get a russian assault vest ('Lifchik'?) from - preferably in Europe?

Sooo many questions!

Many Thanks

Steven · March 31st, 2010, 13:26

Not sure in europe, but try:

Soviet-propaganda.com

They have tons of russian camo, and gear, including Lifchick's.

Conscript · March 31st, 2010, 14:01

Steven, don't post if you don't know anything. They do not have Lifchik's and never had them for a long time, nor do they have any camouflage used in Afghanistan.

If you want to see what camouflage suits they used in Afghanistan, go to the Uniform thread and look for these three, M88 Afghanka, KLMK and KZS, in that order. The Soviet Union developed hundreds of camouflage variations and numerous were seen and used in Afghanistan, but the three above were among the most used. VDV mainly used Khaki Afghankas in the middle to late stage of the war, so for a uniform, M88 Afghanka is your best bet.

As for Lifchik's, your best bet is e-Bay.

Steven · March 31st, 2010, 14:54

Sorry, similar name, wrong rig.

But they do have KLMK.

Conscript · March 31st, 2010, 14:59

No they don't.

Steven · March 31st, 2010, 15:05

http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=202

http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=203

http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=204

Conscript · March 31st, 2010, 15:19

First two are Early 'KLMK' patterned suits, and not necessarily were those used in Afghanistan, they were based off different WW2 patterns (TTsMkk for example).

As for the last one, that is the correct KLMK, looks like Dmitry posted the suits under sniper suits instead of Field clothing which is why I couldn't find them.

As for creating an impression, I would advise you to use an M88 Afghanka and not a KLMK, as KLMK was meant for lightly equipped soldiers, and was primarily designed to effectively combat western night vision. The Afghanka was the main uniform given to VDV soldiers and remained that way until the end of the war.

Steven · March 31st, 2010, 15:26

Hmm. interesting. Looks like i do know stuff after all.

Although, if you dont necessarily want a Lifchick, just a russian assault vest as the OP posted, Soviet-P does have a pretty good variety of russian vests. Worth checking out.

Desmodus · March 31st, 2010, 15:44

Couldn't you also use the normal Chicom chest rig as well? I THINK you could use a 6B3 armour vest too, though maybe it wasn't as common.

Not 100% really sure if they wore those, just going from what I've seen in pictures. Correct me if I'm wrong.

VDV · April 1st, 2010, 08:10

Thanks,

I have found some pics of a sort of overall thing (tan w/ two thigh pockets) labeled by the seller 'spetsnaz' (after all what isn't - sigh). Were these used in Afghanistan by the VDV and if so when?

I have looked into ChiCom but the only one I have found in the EU is one which seems to have 6 mag pouches and I have been told that it is the one with 3 that is 'useful'.

Did the camouflage in question come only in single piece suits or did the use the 2 part KZS camo?

Thanks,

Demichev · April 1st, 2010, 20:04

As comrade Conscript stated there were many things used by the Soviet Army. Without searching, I think you are referring to airborne coveralls, these were rarely used in comparison to other suits.

Do you really care about the Soviet - Afghan war or do you just want to get some sort of Russian loadout? If it's anything, you should really look into War of Chechnya, these uniforms are both more fun and more accessible.

The two part KZS suit was frequently used. However, it was designed to be a one time use suit and as a result, never had the highest quality.

VDV · April 2nd, 2010, 03:42

I am afraid that I am interested in the Soviet-Afghan War specifically!

Where might I be able to find an actual Lifchik without buying from the russian fed./Ukraine?

Was the ChiCom actually issued or was it captured by soldiers and then used?

Thanks

Demichev · April 2nd, 2010, 13:30

The Chicoms were used by the Mujahideen and were considered a trophy when Soviet troops took them.

I should tell you this now, the common Lifchik was never used in Afghanistan. It was produced in the later years of the war but didn't see use until the First Chechen War.

BobbyDangerous · April 2nd, 2010, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven

http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=202

http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=203

http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=204

That shit is horrible.

here..

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/Russian.camouflage.htm

Demichev · April 2nd, 2010, 14:04

If you don't know anything, don't post.

He is looking at the Soviet - Afghan war, not just googling some "Russian Camo" and buying it for no reason.

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March 31st, 2010, 13:06	#1
VDV Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK	Russian Camo in Afghanistan What types of Camouflage were used in Afghanistan? Who used them? and where could I get a russian assault vest ('Lifchik'?) from - preferably in Europe? Sooo many questions! Many Thanks Last edited by VDV; March 31st, 2010 at 13:07.. Reason: specificying

March 31st, 2010, 15:44	#9
Desmodus Mexifaggot Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	Couldn't you also use the normal Chicom chest rig as well? I THINK you could use a 6B3 armour vest too, though maybe it wasn't as common. Not 100% really sure if they wore those, just going from what I've seen in pictures. Correct me if I'm wrong. __________________ Guardians of Asgaard - KF25 - Primaries: LCT AK74MN w/SKTBR, VFC M4 SOPMOD Block 2 Secondary: Latino heat, TM Glock 17

April 1st, 2010, 20:04	#11
Demichev Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Russia / Saskatchewan	As comrade Conscript stated there were many things used by the Soviet Army. Without searching, I think you are referring to airborne coveralls, these were rarely used in comparison to other suits. Do you really care about the Soviet - Afghan war or do you just want to get some sort of Russian loadout? If it's anything, you should really look into War of Chechnya, these uniforms are both more fun and more accessible. The two part KZS suit was frequently used. However, it was designed to be a one time use suit and as a result, never had the highest quality. __________________ Твое имя и подвиги были забыты прежде, чем высохли твои кости,а ложь, убившая тебя, погребена под еще более тяжкой ложью.

March 31st, 2010, 13:26	#2
Steven Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Langley, B.C	Not sure in europe, but try: Soviet-propaganda.com They have tons of russian camo, and gear, including Lifchick's.

March 31st, 2010, 14:01	#3
Conscript AKaholic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: GTA	Steven, don't post if you don't know anything. They do not have Lifchik's and never had them for a long time, nor do they have any camouflage used in Afghanistan. If you want to see what camouflage suits they used in Afghanistan, go to the Uniform thread and look for these three, M88 Afghanka, KLMK and KZS, in that order. The Soviet Union developed hundreds of camouflage variations and numerous were seen and used in Afghanistan, but the three above were among the most used. VDV mainly used Khaki Afghankas in the middle to late stage of the war, so for a uniform, M88 Afghanka is your best bet. As for Lifchik's, your best bet is e-Bay.

March 31st, 2010, 14:54	#4
Steven Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Langley, B.C	Sorry, similar name, wrong rig. But they do have KLMK.

March 31st, 2010, 14:59	#5
Conscript AKaholic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: GTA	No they don't.

March 31st, 2010, 15:05	#6
Steven Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Langley, B.C	http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=202 http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=203 http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/ind...roducts_id=204

March 31st, 2010, 15:19	#7
Conscript AKaholic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: GTA	First two are Early 'KLMK' patterned suits, and not necessarily were those used in Afghanistan, they were based off different WW2 patterns (TTsMkk for example). As for the last one, that is the correct KLMK, looks like Dmitry posted the suits under sniper suits instead of Field clothing which is why I couldn't find them. As for creating an impression, I would advise you to use an M88 Afghanka and not a KLMK, as KLMK was meant for lightly equipped soldiers, and was primarily designed to effectively combat western night vision. The Afghanka was the main uniform given to VDV soldiers and remained that way until the end of the war.

March 31st, 2010, 15:26	#8
Steven Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Langley, B.C	Hmm. interesting. Looks like i do know stuff after all. Although, if you dont necessarily want a Lifchick, just a russian assault vest as the OP posted, Soviet-P does have a pretty good variety of russian vests. Worth checking out.

April 1st, 2010, 08:10	#10
VDV Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK	Thanks, I have found some pics of a sort of overall thing (tan w/ two thigh pockets) labeled by the seller 'spetsnaz' (after all what isn't - sigh). Were these used in Afghanistan by the VDV and if so when? I have looked into ChiCom but the only one I have found in the EU is one which seems to have 6 mag pouches and I have been told that it is the one with 3 that is 'useful'. Did the camouflage in question come only in single piece suits or did the use the 2 part KZS camo? Thanks,

April 2nd, 2010, 03:42	#12
VDV Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK	I am afraid that I am interested in the Soviet-Afghan War specifically! Where might I be able to find an actual Lifchik without buying from the russian fed./Ukraine? Was the ChiCom actually issued or was it captured by soldiers and then used? Thanks

April 2nd, 2010, 13:30	#13
Demichev Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Russia / Saskatchewan	The Chicoms were used by the Mujahideen and were considered a trophy when Soviet troops took them. I should tell you this now, the common Lifchik was never used in Afghanistan. It was produced in the later years of the war but didn't see use until the First Chechen War. __________________ Твое имя и подвиги были забыты прежде, чем высохли твои кости,а ложь, убившая тебя, погребена под еще более тяжкой ложью.

April 2nd, 2010, 14:04	#15
Demichev Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Russia / Saskatchewan	If you don't know anything, don't post. He is looking at the Soviet - Afghan war, not just googling some "Russian Camo" and buying it for no reason. __________________ Твое имя и подвиги были забыты прежде, чем высохли твои кости,а ложь, убившая тебя, погребена под еще более тяжкой ложью.

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