Building guns?

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 18:30

againg: putting buisness asperations aside, what is the stance on building privatly owned guns?

AirsoftTechGeek · May 10th, 2006, 18:31

I have some guns designed(drawings and such) would you like to see those

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 18:32

sure if you want to email them. I'll see if my genius bud can help aquire parts. His dad is a carpenter and my ex g/f's dad is a mechanich and he's willing to help me. That and I'm very good at scrounging

*edit*

Before anyone says it: I know. My spelling sucks. :-D

Greylocks · May 10th, 2006, 18:33

To build you need tooling, a production line, parts, supplies, machining expertise, etc.
To build from scratch is not worth the expense.

Specify what you mean by building for yourself? Buying and assembling parts or machining parts from nothing?

Do yourself a huge favor and avoid any recommendations from AirsoftTechGeek.

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 18:36

actually, we've found ways to aquire parts to make air pumps, triggers, etc quite easily. The biggest problem we have now is the barrel (i's been a b*tch finding 6mm tubing, but we've come very close.) basically we'd be assembeling parts bought from various normal Hardware stores. It's not that hard, we've already found many parts we need. In short, we 've need little tooling, and we'll be able to use my friends dad's tools to build.

Greylocks · May 10th, 2006, 18:41

Okay. Just telling you from a background of real life experience... you're getting yourself in a real deep grey-area pit of legal problems if you make a finished product without the right licenses.

It's just as bad as building a real firearm, legally speaking. No matter how you do it. That's as clear as I can be. It IS a big deal.

Since you are young and going in the military, dont start your career with something that can really screw it.
You'll get to deal with enough guns, and it will be far wiser to buy a regular AEG instead.

Allright? Advice given, what you do is your call.

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 18:43

Thanks for the advice, I'd still like feedback on what ppl would think about a Airsoft Company in Canada (not one founded by me and my friends, just in genral) just as a matter of curiosity

Greylocks · May 10th, 2006, 18:47

Hey, if someone is willing to go through all the loops and offer a product legally that at least matches the quality of what we can buy from overseas, cool with me.

But would it make tons of money? Probably not. Market is far too small.

thephenom · May 10th, 2006, 18:47

From reading this, it sounds more like Talraga wants to carry out a springers coversion into AEG.

It's doable, but requires a lot of time, trying to fit parts into the springer body, and especially more time if you are building a custom mechbox from scratch. If you are serious about this, then put lots of time into reading about the internal of an AEG.

I personally wouldn't bash you about the idea. I mean businesses get started by ideas like this, just takes somet time to realize the cost and potential of the business. At 19 years old, unless you have some sort of financing and a lot of help from experienced engineers, I don't think you can make it anything big.

Greylocks · May 10th, 2006, 18:51

Not bashing the idea, just pointing out the other major difficulties on the dirty legal side of it.

He's really asking about if a business (well setup) could work. It could.

Would it be worthwhile monetarily? Not really.

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 18:55

I think it might, think about it it would be cheaper to build and ship in Canada and to the United States if the company is in North America. Tokyo Maurai has the problem of shipping costs. If you could build decent, cheap guns and ship them in North America, then you could save alot on shipping and be able to sell for less than TM.

AirsoftTechGeek · May 10th, 2006, 19:05

Does anyone know any good sight for learning about the internals of an aeg

I've been doing the same thing as Talraga but just for personal use

thephenom · May 10th, 2006, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talraga

I think it might, think about it it would be cheaper to build and ship in Canada and to the United States if the company is in North America. Tokyo Maurai has the problem of shipping costs. If you could build decent, cheap guns and ship them in North America, then you could save alot on shipping and be able to sell for less than TM.

Unless you reach high quality in looks and performance, you won't be attracting the crowd in Canada.

In the US, it's already flooded with a lot of these "cheap" airsoft (just check airsoft site like atlanta or airsoftgi), the only one that has done relatively well is UTG, whom done a fairly good job of ripping off TM. And in the US, TMs and CAs aren't that expensive, they are very similar prices comparing to HK. (Can't compare TM in Japan since it's damn cheap there)

Greenwolf · May 10th, 2006, 19:45

well maybe I'm wron, but I think the lack of overseas shipping prices and high-quality Airsoft guns made in Canada for cheaper compared to TM would apeal to a crowed of gamers that can't afford TMs, I'm talking about guns that are $200-$300 CAD rather than $300-$600

AirsoftTechGeek · May 10th, 2006, 20:01

That's a big difference in price plus if, plus if you can't make of find your own of some parts you can buy replacement/upgrade parts.

although i would check the laws if before you sell any with other companies parts in them.

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May 10th, 2006, 18:30	#16
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	againg: putting buisness asperations aside, what is the stance on building privatly owned guns?

May 10th, 2006, 18:31	#17
AirsoftTechGeek Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnesota, US	I have some guns designed(drawings and such) would you like to see those

May 10th, 2006, 18:32	#18
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	sure if you want to email them. I'll see if my genius bud can help aquire parts. His dad is a carpenter and my ex g/f's dad is a mechanich and he's willing to help me. That and I'm very good at scrounging edit Before anyone says it: I know. My spelling sucks. :-D

May 10th, 2006, 18:33	#19
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	To build you need tooling, a production line, parts, supplies, machining expertise, etc. To build from scratch is not worth the expense. Specify what you mean by building for yourself? Buying and assembling parts or machining parts from nothing? Do yourself a huge favor and avoid any recommendations from AirsoftTechGeek.

May 10th, 2006, 18:36	#20
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	actually, we've found ways to aquire parts to make air pumps, triggers, etc quite easily. The biggest problem we have now is the barrel (i's been a b*tch finding 6mm tubing, but we've come very close.) basically we'd be assembeling parts bought from various normal Hardware stores. It's not that hard, we've already found many parts we need. In short, we 've need little tooling, and we'll be able to use my friends dad's tools to build.

May 10th, 2006, 18:41	#21
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Okay. Just telling you from a background of real life experience... you're getting yourself in a real deep grey-area pit of legal problems if you make a finished product without the right licenses. It's just as bad as building a real firearm, legally speaking. No matter how you do it. That's as clear as I can be. It IS a big deal. Since you are young and going in the military, dont start your career with something that can really screw it. You'll get to deal with enough guns, and it will be far wiser to buy a regular AEG instead. Allright? Advice given, what you do is your call.

May 10th, 2006, 18:43	#22
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	Thanks for the advice, I'd still like feedback on what ppl would think about a Airsoft Company in Canada (not one founded by me and my friends, just in genral) just as a matter of curiosity

May 10th, 2006, 18:47	#23
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Hey, if someone is willing to go through all the loops and offer a product legally that at least matches the quality of what we can buy from overseas, cool with me. But would it make tons of money? Probably not. Market is far too small.

May 10th, 2006, 18:47	#24
thephenom Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Toronto	From reading this, it sounds more like Talraga wants to carry out a springers coversion into AEG. It's doable, but requires a lot of time, trying to fit parts into the springer body, and especially more time if you are building a custom mechbox from scratch. If you are serious about this, then put lots of time into reading about the internal of an AEG. I personally wouldn't bash you about the idea. I mean businesses get started by ideas like this, just takes somet time to realize the cost and potential of the business. At 19 years old, unless you have some sort of financing and a lot of help from experienced engineers, I don't think you can make it anything big.

May 10th, 2006, 18:51	#25
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Not bashing the idea, just pointing out the other major difficulties on the dirty legal side of it. He's really asking about if a business (well setup) could work. It could. Would it be worthwhile monetarily? Not really.

May 10th, 2006, 18:55	#26
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	I think it might, think about it it would be cheaper to build and ship in Canada and to the United States if the company is in North America. Tokyo Maurai has the problem of shipping costs. If you could build decent, cheap guns and ship them in North America, then you could save alot on shipping and be able to sell for less than TM.

May 10th, 2006, 19:05	#27
AirsoftTechGeek Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnesota, US	Does anyone know any good sight for learning about the internals of an aeg I've been doing the same thing as Talraga but just for personal use

May 10th, 2006, 19:45	#29
Greenwolf Talraga Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kingston	well maybe I'm wron, but I think the lack of overseas shipping prices and high-quality Airsoft guns made in Canada for cheaper compared to TM would apeal to a crowed of gamers that can't afford TMs, I'm talking about guns that are $200-$300 CAD rather than $300-$600

May 10th, 2006, 20:01	#30
AirsoftTechGeek Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnesota, US	That's a big difference in price plus if, plus if you can't make of find your own of some parts you can buy replacement/upgrade parts. although i would check the laws if before you sell any with other companies parts in them.

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