Frontenac Cadpat?

kymoz · January 2nd, 2006, 22:25

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Originally Posted by recon

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Originally Posted by soldiers301

Sorry recon but believe it or not the material used for making Frontenac Stuff is the fabric that has been rejected by DND. Yeah I already seen a pair of Frontenac pants, and yeah they could last longer but this is not military specs material, so this is rejected by DND. The print quality is not the same as the issued one and could not offer IR protection.

I dont mean that Frontenac CADPAT is crap, it is just rejected by DND cause of its general quality.

Sorry it is not, plain and simple.

"Yeah it is"
"No it is not"
"Yeah it is"
"No it isn't"
"Yes"
"No"
...

C'mon Recon, give us some proofs! If you say that the other one is wrong, please bring better arguments than "What you say is bullcrap". Articles like CND_Stalker brought us are much more enlightening than unfounded sayings (by unfounded I mean that we don't know why you say that).

Kymoz

Bravo Two Zero · January 3rd, 2006, 11:49

They do look off

JKT 1 · January 3rd, 2006, 14:07

I think the confusion about Frontenac lies in the fact that ORIGINALLY (i.e., back when they WERE a licensed contractor) they were allowed to sell CADPAT clothing to the public on the basis of two provisoes:
1. the clothing could not be identical to issue combats
2. they were allowed to only use material from ROLLS that had been rejected by DND

Point 2 is the sticky one: people have interpreted this in many ways - but from my memory of an excellent sources info - the DND accepts or rejects entire rolls of the cloth as a "lump sum" item. These could be rejected for many reasons; such as there was a glitch in one portion of it or the colours were slightly off on that particular roll, etc. It wasn't always becuase the "quality was crap" (define what you mean by that anyways). So, Frontenac were allowed to use these "seconds" (as they're called in the industry) to manufacture stuff for the civilian market and thus avoid incurring big financial losses. That is why a lot of people have sets where the colours are slightly different between the shirt and the trousers for example.

Incidentally - just about ALL new, unissued "surplus" has been made from factory seconds in this way.

Bottom line is - the man summed it up brilliantly with his long post. If you want genuine, issue gear you gotta be willing to purchase stolen goods. If you want commerical gear, now you know who to get it from and what the quality will be like. If you want to get top-notch, genuine issue gear LEGALLY - then its simple.... ENLIST. :wink:

Just one final question - what about SEALS Action Gear? Are you saying their stuff is "shite" as well?

CDN_Stalker · January 3rd, 2006, 14:21

SEALS Action Gear clothing is Frontenac.

Here's a question to toss out there as part of the topic: Explain the Arid Cadpat! Hehe, my shirt and my pants are both totally different material/colour even though they were bought within a month of each other.

Farmboy · January 3rd, 2006, 15:25

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If you want to get top-notch, genuine issue gear LEGALLY - then its simple.... ENLIST

Please don't use "top-notch" and "issue gear" in the same sentence

it just doesn't go together.

JKT 1 · January 3rd, 2006, 16:18

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

SEALS Action Gear clothing is Frontenac.

Oh, right. I meant their smocks though.

CDN_Stalker · January 3rd, 2006, 16:55

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Originally Posted by JKT 1

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

SEALS Action Gear clothing is Frontenac.

Oh, right. I meant their smocks though.

Gotcha. I think the anorak might be Parklands, as the only ones I've seen were Parklands. Speaking of which, Army_Issue told me a couple months ago tht Parklands Canada got a Cease & Desist order from DND for their cadpat crap clothing.

firemachine69 · January 3rd, 2006, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Farmboy

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If you want to get top-notch, genuine issue gear LEGALLY - then its simple.... ENLIST

Please don't use "top-notch" and "issue gear" in the same sentence

it just doesn't go together.

/sarcasm

What? Issue stuff not good? Say it isn't so! We don't need more then four mags anyways to fight a war!

/end sarcasm

Remember: Issue gear is made by the lowest bidder.

BawBag · January 3rd, 2006, 18:09

Big deal. It still get's the job done. and btw, you get issued 15mags. Doesn't mean you have 4 mags to fight a war. Remember +one in the rifle. so thats 5, not 4

as your main load out. the rest are either in C9 pouch or small pack.

Edit* Not trying to be an asshole or anything. I'm not serious, just dislike it when civi's knock our issue stuff. Yes we all know its not the best. but it works. :-)

Trader rating · January 3rd, 2006, 18:47

Sorry, by Civi's you must mean people who've never been in the military at all, correct? I'd take my 84 pattern webbing over that effin TV any day.

Once upon a time kit was designed to fight fucking wars by people who fought them, instead of by civilian contractors who've never held a fucking rifle or ate an arty sim.

The new TV is GARBAGE.

Farmboy · January 3rd, 2006, 19:54

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I'm not serious, just dislike it when civi's knock our issue stuff.

....well at least I can keep knocking my issue stuff.

Goldman · January 3rd, 2006, 20:36

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by JKT 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

SEALS Action Gear clothing is Frontenac.

Oh, right. I meant their smocks though.

Gotcha. I think the anorak might be Parklands, as the only ones I've seen were Parklands. Speaking of which, Army_Issue told me a couple months ago tht Parklands Canada got a Cease & Desist order from DND for their cadpat crap clothing.

IIRC Frontenac made/still makes an Anoranak that CP was selling for a while, be careful of what you buy.

CDN_Stalker · January 3rd, 2006, 21:03

Good info Goldman. At least I couldn't be bothered buying an anorak.

BawBag · January 3rd, 2006, 23:49

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Originally Posted by MadMorbius

Sorry, by Civi's you must mean people who've never been in the military at all, correct? I'd take my 84 pattern webbing over that effin TV any day.

Once upon a time kit was designed to fight fucking wars by people who fought them, instead of by civilian contractors who've never held a fucking rifle or ate an arty sim.

The new TV is GARBAGE.

Hey, to each their own eh. Yeah the tacvest is junk. But webbing is fucking ghey.
The new TV's are designed okay, weight is nicely displaced. It's not molle cause Canada soldiers all have to look the same. Just should have been double C7 mag pouches, leaves room for improvement in the near future...<rolls eyes>

JKT 1 · January 4th, 2006, 06:09

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Good info Goldman. At least I couldn't be bothered buying an anorak.

SEALS don't sell those qwear anoraks - they sell a special smock they designed themselves:

and the blurb on their website says:
The 4.1 version of the smock is made using authentic Canadian Forces 65/35 NYCO Twill CADPAT TW (much more durable than the standard Combat Cloth used for combat uniforms), which is treated with Quarpel for excellent wind and water resistance. It is also specifically designed with Canadian Forces' personnel in mind, and includes a rank epaulet on the front, velcro brassard keeper/flag patch on the left shoulder, and velcro strip for the name tag above the right chest pocket.

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January 3rd, 2006, 14:21	#19
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	SEALS Action Gear clothing is Frontenac. Here's a question to toss out there as part of the topic: Explain the Arid Cadpat! Hehe, my shirt and my pants are both totally different material/colour even though they were bought within a month of each other. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

January 3rd, 2006, 21:03	#28
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	Good info Goldman. At least I couldn't be bothered buying an anorak. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

January 3rd, 2006, 11:49	#17
Bravo Two Zero Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: United States	They do look off

January 3rd, 2006, 14:07	#18
JKT 1 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oxford, UK (originally from B.C.)	I think the confusion about Frontenac lies in the fact that ORIGINALLY (i.e., back when they WERE a licensed contractor) they were allowed to sell CADPAT clothing to the public on the basis of two provisoes: 1. the clothing could not be identical to issue combats 2. they were allowed to only use material from ROLLS that had been rejected by DND Point 2 is the sticky one: people have interpreted this in many ways - but from my memory of an excellent sources info - the DND accepts or rejects entire rolls of the cloth as a "lump sum" item. These could be rejected for many reasons; such as there was a glitch in one portion of it or the colours were slightly off on that particular roll, etc. It wasn't always becuase the "quality was crap" (define what you mean by that anyways). So, Frontenac were allowed to use these "seconds" (as they're called in the industry) to manufacture stuff for the civilian market and thus avoid incurring big financial losses. That is why a lot of people have sets where the colours are slightly different between the shirt and the trousers for example. Incidentally - just about ALL new, unissued "surplus" has been made from factory seconds in this way. Bottom line is - the man summed it up brilliantly with his long post. If you want genuine, issue gear you gotta be willing to purchase stolen goods. If you want commerical gear, now you know who to get it from and what the quality will be like. If you want to get top-notch, genuine issue gear LEGALLY - then its simple.... ENLIST. :wink: Just one final question - what about SEALS Action Gear? Are you saying their stuff is "shite" as well?

January 3rd, 2006, 18:09	#24
BawBag Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2004	Big deal. It still get's the job done. and btw, you get issued 15mags. Doesn't mean you have 4 mags to fight a war. Remember +one in the rifle. so thats 5, not 4 as your main load out. the rest are either in C9 pouch or small pack. Edit* Not trying to be an asshole or anything. I'm not serious, just dislike it when civi's knock our issue stuff. Yes we all know its not the best. but it works. :-)

January 3rd, 2006, 18:47	#25
MadMorbius Guest Trader rating	Sorry, by Civi's you must mean people who've never been in the military at all, correct? I'd take my 84 pattern webbing over that effin TV any day. Once upon a time kit was designed to fight fucking wars by people who fought them, instead of by civilian contractors who've never held a fucking rifle or ate an arty sim. The new TV is GARBAGE.

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