KWA vs. CA

warbird · May 9th, 2009, 23:14

Overall, which M4 is the better buy?

The Saint · May 9th, 2009, 23:18

Which gun?

warbird · May 9th, 2009, 23:29

haha...oops.

Fixed.

incrediboy729 · May 10th, 2009, 01:32

CA is better IMO. But it depends i suppose on what you want. A CA might not have as good "performance" ei FPS or RPM, but they are VERY durable. If you want something that will never fail you go with CA, as i did. And don't get caught up in the whole KWA "lipo ready" thing, because they really aren't. It's still very hard on it. Besides, i run a 10.8v battery in my CA with no problems or wear and it gives 20-23ish RPS, which is plenty IMO.
So in short CA

Sully · May 10th, 2009, 02:01

In my opinion I'd say KWA. They are about as solid if not more so than any other M4 AEG on the market to date. All the internals are perfectly matched to one another so there are no issues.

The biggest upside to KWA is that they listen to their customers about improvements that they would like to see, as well as flaws that are found with the product. I've had my KWA since November and would not trade it for all the CA's on the market.

As for the Li-Po ready claims it's because of the reinforced gearbox, the 8mm steel ball bearing bushings as well as the perfectly matched internals that make it capable of handling the awesome power of the Li-Po's straight out of the box. I run a Socom gear 11.1V Li-Po and have yet to have any problems after about 6000 rounds through it.

Yes they have some downsides. The hop-up isn't the easiest to change out with an aftermarket one as it's a two piece unit. The trades on the side are kind of a downer.

In the end it's a personal choice on which one to choose. You are going to find alot of differing opinions on what one is better and this is just one mans opinion of the topic.

Skruface · May 10th, 2009, 09:22

CA bearings suck. Also, CA yellow piston sucks.

CA externals are OK tho.

Spawn28 · May 10th, 2009, 09:46

Ya well good luck finding parts for a KWA and nothing inside a KWA is compatible with anything else.so for that reason alone i would never buy a KWA again if your mechbox breaks like my freinds did your boned as KWA USA will not ship to canada.So that being said CA all the way.
If you have any KWA questions PM this guy "Terror" his mechbox blew apart and had tried to get compatible parts for both of us with no luck but im sure he would be more than happy to tell ya what he thinks of KWA and their awsome ....yeah right internals and no it wasnt a lemon they are just shit. Knowing what i know now i would never buy a KWA again. from day one its a countdown to major dissapointment trust me. i wont even use mine anymore for fear to break something that cant be replaced.And those who havnt put 20+ thousand rounds through one dont know didly.Buy a CA and Get a TUNEUP kit and you will have a AEG that is 100% reliable and not too mention sturdy,My CA has never let me down sure its not as responsive as the KWA but it doesnt run off lipo....yet........LOL

as said before"CA all the way and fuck KWA"

Kusco · May 10th, 2009, 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spawn28

Ya well good luck finding parts for a KWA and nothing inside a KWA is compatible with anything else.so for that reason alone i would never buy a KWA again if your mechbox breaks like my freinds did your boned as KWA USA will not ship to canada.So that being said CA all the way.

if that happens can you just drop any other mechbox in there? or will it not fit properly?

Spawn28 · May 10th, 2009, 10:05

Nothing fits. A drop in mechbox will not fit been there done that absolutley nothing i repeat nothing is compatible with this POS you cant take anything out and put in any other AEG and no NON KWA parts will fit on this gun anywhere

warbird · May 10th, 2009, 10:22

I was worrying about compatability. I think I know what I'm picking! Thanks guys!

incrediboy729 · May 10th, 2009, 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skruface

CA bearings suck. Also, CA yellow piston sucks.

CA externals are OK tho.

Maybe on the old versions but not on the new ones. To my knowledge thier m4's don't even run bearing bushings. And the yellow pistons are great. I've put about 75,000 rounds through mine with a 10.8v battery and checked the internals and there is NO wear on the piston. NONE. in my experience they are indestructible.

Quote:

As for the Li-Po ready claims it's because of the reinforced gearbox, the 8mm steel ball bearing bushings as well as the perfectly matched internals that make it capable of handling the awesome power of the Li-Po's straight out of the box. I run a Socom gear 11.1V Li-Po and have yet to have any problems after about 6000 rounds through it.

Yes they have some downsides. The hop-up isn't the easiest to change out with an aftermarket one as it's a two piece unit. The trades on the side are kind of a downer.

Not to contradic and be a snob, but i have a little bit of stuff on your post--
6,000 rounds isn't enough to say whether or not it is reliable. have you checked the internals since the 6,000 rounds? I'm sure it can handle it quite well but for me it can't handle it enough to permanently use one, that's just a lot of battery for stock internals IMO, any brand.

SHaKaL · May 10th, 2009, 20:44

Had a CA SR25... grinded thru 4 pistons... yeah yellow pistons suck...

BTW gear's were shimmed properly...

Cheeseman · May 10th, 2009, 20:48

Quote:

Ya well good luck finding parts for a KWA and nothing inside a KWA is compatible with anything else

My friend has a KWA and deals with KWA guns and parts on a regular basis.

replacement parts for a KWA are easy to get from their site, the gun is very very solid, and is fully compatible with any aftermarket products for the internals of the gearbox.

Crunchmeister · May 10th, 2009, 20:56

CA yellow pistons are hit and miss. Some last forever, some blow out easily. Either way, the piston is really the "consumable" part inside a mechbox anyway and is cheap enough to replace. Otherwise though, their internals are top notch.

And on the piston note, I hear as many people having their overpriced Systema polycarbonate (red) pistons blow out. I replaced the 20k round old CA piston in my gun (that showed no wear) with a Systema. The Systema didn't even last 25o rounds before exploding. I reinstalled the CA one, and it's seen at least another 20k rounds on top of the original 20k and it's still going strong.

Midgetkid · May 10th, 2009, 21:43

KWA by far, no questions asked, if your willing to spend the extra bit of money, its WELL worth it.

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May 9th, 2009, 23:14	#1
warbird Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NB, Canada	KWA vs. CA Overall, which M4 is the better buy? Last edited by warbird; May 9th, 2009 at 23:29..

May 9th, 2009, 23:18	#2
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	Which gun? __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

May 10th, 2009, 01:32	#4
incrediboy729 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California, USA	CA is better IMO. But it depends i suppose on what you want. A CA might not have as good "performance" ei FPS or RPM, but they are VERY durable. If you want something that will never fail you go with CA, as i did. And don't get caught up in the whole KWA "lipo ready" thing, because they really aren't. It's still very hard on it. Besides, i run a 10.8v battery in my CA with no problems or wear and it gives 20-23ish RPS, which is plenty IMO. So in short CA __________________

May 9th, 2009, 23:29	#3
warbird Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NB, Canada	haha...oops. Fixed.

May 10th, 2009, 02:01	#5
Sully formerly chippy_125 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sooke, BC	In my opinion I'd say KWA. They are about as solid if not more so than any other M4 AEG on the market to date. All the internals are perfectly matched to one another so there are no issues. The biggest upside to KWA is that they listen to their customers about improvements that they would like to see, as well as flaws that are found with the product. I've had my KWA since November and would not trade it for all the CA's on the market. As for the Li-Po ready claims it's because of the reinforced gearbox, the 8mm steel ball bearing bushings as well as the perfectly matched internals that make it capable of handling the awesome power of the Li-Po's straight out of the box. I run a Socom gear 11.1V Li-Po and have yet to have any problems after about 6000 rounds through it. Yes they have some downsides. The hop-up isn't the easiest to change out with an aftermarket one as it's a two piece unit. The trades on the side are kind of a downer. In the end it's a personal choice on which one to choose. You are going to find alot of differing opinions on what one is better and this is just one mans opinion of the topic. Last edited by Sully; May 10th, 2009 at 02:03..

May 10th, 2009, 09:46	#7
Spawn28 I am manly hear me squeek Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Bay The Gateway to Hells Ars!	Ya well good luck finding parts for a KWA and nothing inside a KWA is compatible with anything else.so for that reason alone i would never buy a KWA again if your mechbox breaks like my freinds did your boned as KWA USA will not ship to canada.So that being said CA all the way. If you have any KWA questions PM this guy "Terror" his mechbox blew apart and had tried to get compatible parts for both of us with no luck but im sure he would be more than happy to tell ya what he thinks of KWA and their awsome ....yeah right internals and no it wasnt a lemon they are just shit. Knowing what i know now i would never buy a KWA again. from day one its a countdown to major dissapointment trust me. i wont even use mine anymore for fear to break something that cant be replaced.And those who havnt put 20+ thousand rounds through one dont know didly.Buy a CA and Get a TUNEUP kit and you will have a AEG that is 100% reliable and not too mention sturdy,My CA has never let me down sure its not as responsive as the KWA but it doesnt run off lipo....yet........LOL as said before"CA all the way and fuck KWA" __________________ Last edited by Spawn28; May 10th, 2009 at 10:02.. Reason: KWA SUCKS I have proof

May 10th, 2009, 10:05	#9
Spawn28 I am manly hear me squeek Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Bay The Gateway to Hells Ars!	Nothing fits. A drop in mechbox will not fit been there done that absolutley nothing i repeat nothing is compatible with this POS you cant take anything out and put in any other AEG and no NON KWA parts will fit on this gun anywhere __________________

May 10th, 2009, 10:22	#10
warbird Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NB, Canada	I was worrying about compatability. I think I know what I'm picking! Thanks guys!

May 10th, 2009, 20:44	#12
SHaKaL Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Trois-Rivi?res	Had a CA SR25... grinded thru 4 pistons... yeah yellow pistons suck... BTW gear's were shimmed properly... __________________ HellRanger 1969-2007 LRRP FOREVER 101e 506Pir Fox Company - SHTYK NOZH

May 10th, 2009, 20:56	#14
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	CA yellow pistons are hit and miss. Some last forever, some blow out easily. Either way, the piston is really the "consumable" part inside a mechbox anyway and is cheap enough to replace. Otherwise though, their internals are top notch. And on the piston note, I hear as many people having their overpriced Systema polycarbonate (red) pistons blow out. I replaced the 20k round old CA piston in my gun (that showed no wear) with a Systema. The Systema didn't even last 25o rounds before exploding. I reinstalled the CA one, and it's seen at least another 20k rounds on top of the original 20k and it's still going strong. __________________

May 10th, 2009, 21:43	#15
Midgetkid Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St.Catharines	KWA by far, no questions asked, if your willing to spend the extra bit of money, its WELL worth it.

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