.45 comparison - established owners please..

[Mysteryfish]

Looking for someone who's had airsoft for a while and who owns (or owned and used) these two guns in particular:

- KJW P14.45 (metal version)

AND

- Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa 5.1

Why?
Because I'm hoping you can tell me how the cyclic rate (slide speed), the cooldown, and the other firing qualities of the P14.45 compare to the ever-speedy, cooldown proof Hi-capa.

Please answer honestly!

Thanks!

[Gooseman]

Had them both and I can honestly say, go for the TM Hi-Capa if you intend to actually shoot the gun at someone. The KJW Para has the following flaws in it:
- It has fixed hopup (and bad one at that!)
- The gun would fail to cycle during the colder months. Not only that but as soon as you pull the trigger, all the gas would vent out of the mag.

As for the TM Hi-Capa. The only problem I found with that is it's plastic slide is not gonna last if you plan on using propane during the summer. Also, the velocity is kinda weak compared to the KJW Para's.. but I'd rather have my bbs hit my target slower , rather than never. :mrgreen:

[Mysteryfish]

Thanks Gooseman.

[Eddie]

Go get the Hicapa 4.3

[MadMax]

The KJW Para suffers from a design flaw. A spring critical to the functioning of the blowback needs to be modified to assure proper operation. In the stock form, it has too much preload. The Para is closely based on the WA trigger mechanism which can be tuned for shorter trigger pull, but is not as robustly designed as the Hicapa which is not as easily tuned, but is more reliable.

TM also heavily chrome plates it's trigger components. While this looks pretty, I suspect they do this for lubricity. The smooth chrome finish slides very well so I suspect that the Hicapa can be tuned for a lighter trigger pull than the Para (less friction to fight). There's also less stiction (sticking friction) which is a bit of an issue with the WA trigger design.

[Mysteryfish]

I had my eye on a 4.3 anyhow :tup: .

Thanks for the info guys. I'm sure it's good to have more *useful* comparison such as this in the huge pile of information that is ASC.

Too bad about the Para though. Stock metal is such a luxury. I suppose if I had the means to get pieces machined easily, and the patience/cash to work on one, it'd be a great project piece... But right now I'm not into projects, unless they're school projects.

Gotta nail these marks so I can have a shot at a full Mech. Eng. degree. after I get through my current courses. :kill:

[MadMax]

It would be cheaper in time and money to just buy an aftermarket slide. One off machining of complicated parts is rarely worth it when a supplier sells large production runs.

[Mysteryfish]

Oh, yeah. That makes sense - I meant getting internal parts like the springs, valves, busted rails, polishing internals that are gritty. Making modifications for power/hop up... You know, whatever comes up.

But what you say applies to that too :roll: .

Oh well... "in a perfect world..." , right?

[shinjit noir]

Originally Posted by Gooseman

Had them both and I can honestly say, go for the TM Hi-Capa if you intend to actually shoot the gun at someone. The KJW Para has the following flaws in it:
- It has fixed hopup (and bad one at that!)
- The gun would fail to cycle during the colder months. Not only that but as soon as you pull the trigger, all the gas would vent out of the mag.

I still remember that one time you had me totally beat Minh, til your gun did just what you listed above. All I saw was a big white puff of gas, it was truly beautiful.

As for suggestions drew, you know what I'm going to say, so I won't. If you want metal, what about the WE Hicapa line?

[Mysteryfish]

Naw, I don't REALLY care about metal. And I do know JUST what you're gonna say 8-)

I just wanted to know what the Para 14.45 performed like, and I figured the best thing to compare it to would be the top of the .45 skirmish game.

I don't think I'd go for the wei-tech guns. I tried one out at Dave's the other day, and the slide is absolutely sluggish. My opinion, sure, but I guess I aim for wicked cyclic rate.

I think I see a 4.3 and a slide in my future. Looking forward to getting out to that CQB building with you guys :tup:

Thanks again for all your advice guys. :salute:

[Scavenger]

Though i havent handled the TM Hi-Capa yet, i can comment on the KJ Para it seems not all KJ's are built the same.

The only problem ive had with my KJ Para is the aim really, though you can hit the torso at some 30-40 feet, but you will have a hard time to say hit the arm of someone that is partially hidden. Though occasionally it does shoot straight, the bb's tend to shoot within a "cone" rather than a line regardless how long you take to line up your shot. They dont tend to fly in a particular direction either, kind of random left/right or so. Yeah fixed hopup, i didnt have much trouble with it with both .20 and .25's, just less range and speed with the .25's obviously.

I find the cycling nice in this, i used to have a fmu KSC Glock 23F, so compared to that its fairly good, but oviously bigger and even has a fairly good crisp kick to it. With my Para i can confortably fire off 2-3 shots within a second, and half a mag without significant cooldown (at room temperature). It doesnt do so well in cool weather though as mentioned before, not sure of an exact temperature, but below 10 or so in late autumn, early spring if you plan to use it outdoors.


Yeah there are better options for more monies, but its fairly good for the price i found it.

[Gooseman]

Originally Posted by shinjit noir

I still remember that one time you had me totally beat Minh, til your gun did just what you listed above. All I saw was a big white puff of gas, it was truly beautiful.

As for suggestions drew, you know what I'm going to say, so I won't. If you want metal, what about the WE Hicapa line?

hahaha.. yea, i remember that.. f'en embarrasing... Man, I miss playing with you guys. I'll be back during the warmer months though. I can't stand this cold weather