the ECHO1 Advance Squad Carbine

[Jackarutu]

Okay I'm not sure how to make this more clear. ECHO1 SCARs and "VFC SCARs" as sold by Jag are being recalled per the letter Jag sent to its dealers

Now then VFC SCARs sold by anyone else except for Jag I know nothing about.

But it does seem crasy that duly licenced SCARS made by VFC would be recalled from Jag dealers.

[phloudernow]

as far as i know Cybergun itself is just the stupid licensing company, they pretty much went out there to get all the rights of trademark licensing from all the big gun companies, all these guns are still OEM by VFC/ KA whatever, Echo 1 is just a rebrand of those guns.

Not too sure but Echo1 is exempted by those laws because they don't have actual markings on their guns? not too sure but from what I've known echo1 has "Echo1" markings on their guns.

[kyle milliken]

Well i said i would post the e-mail response i got from vfc so her it is.
Dear Kyle
Thanks for concern with MK16&17.
If you need the MK16&17 Please contact with "SPARTAN IMPORTS"
They got the FN authorzation.
Their contact info
WWW. SPARTAN IMPORTS.COM
VFC Service

From: kyle milliken [mailto:tigertank211@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:17 AM
To: 巍嘉-客服
Subject: mk16 & 17 recall

Dear VFC

I have recently heard that the vfc mk16 & 17 is being recalled due to a recent lawsuit and, i'm wondering if this is true and what this means for the future of the vfc scar? thank you in advance for any help you can provide on this troubling news.

Kyle William Roy Milliken

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by phloudernow

as far as i know Cybergun itself is just the stupid licensing company, they pretty much went out there to get all the rights of trademark licensing from all the big gun companies, all these guns are still OEM by VFC/ KA whatever, Echo 1 is just a rebrand of those guns.

Not too sure but Echo1 is exempted by those laws because they don't have actual markings on their guns? not too sure but from what I've known echo1 has "Echo1" markings on their guns.

The Echo1 SCAR is Dboys. It doesn't matter if it has FN markings, it looks like a SCAR and that's what they're getting in trouble for.

[Jackarutu]

Okay fellows I'm trying to make a point here that none seems to understand.

Point one: Yes ECHO1 had some SCAR look alikes that were made by Dboys (this is not the point of this discussion)

Point two: Jag had some SCARS that they claimed were "OEM" by VFC (this is the point of the discussion) these were also recalled!

As I remember back to before they removed all these from their url I recalled that this second group was not listed under the VFC section of their URL. I can't remember which section it was under.

In total they had four different offerers of SCARS (2 from DBOYS and 2 listed as VFC but I can't remember who was listed as the supplier)

Perhaps what the problem here is that any VFC imported into the US that doesn't come thru WWW. SPARTAN IMPORTS.COM is the problem. As the post above is worded it is Spartan that holds the licensen and not VFC.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by Jackarutu

Okay fellows I'm trying to make a point here that none seems to understand.

Point one: Yes ECHO1 had some SCAR look alikes that were made by Dboys (this is not the point of this discussion)

Point two: Jag had some SCARS that they claimed were "OEM" by VFC (this is the point of the discussion) these were also recalled!

As I remember back to before they removed all these from their url I recalled that this second group was not listed under the VFC section of their URL. I can't remember which section it was under.

In total they had four different offerers of SCARS (2 from DBOYS and 2 listed as VFC but I can't remember who was listed as the supplier)

Perhaps what the problem here is that any VFC imported into the US that doesn't come thru WWW. SPARTAN IMPORTS.COM is the problem. As the post above is worded it is Spartan that holds the licensen and not VFC.

To make matters even more confusing, JAG Precision is VFC's "exclusive authorized distributor" in the US for their products. Yet JAG does not hold any licensing agreements with FN Herstal.

Basically Spartan Imports is owned by Cybergun which in turn holds the FN license. Through the recent turn of events, Cybergun exercised their legal rights to exclusively distribute licensed guns through Spartan and forced JAG to pull these guns out of their distribution line-up (in this case MK16/17 amongst others). Ultimately it doesn't matter for VFC as they can pull their "exclusive authorized distributor" rights from JAG and give it to whomever is legally allowed to import.

[Kozzie]

Originally Posted by wilsonred5

so getting my hand on parts and accessory's would be hard would it?

LOL this thread seems to have been derailed a bit.

I'm not personally aware of any proprietary parts from ECHO1 on this gun, please correct me if I'm wrong. It's a version 2 gearbox that is AFAIK TM compatible. So no you shouldn't have any trouble finding parts for it.