DPMS M4A1. JG? Or JG Clone?
 

I have been reading up on the JG M4A1, and it has come to my attention that the DPMS is just an American rebranded JG. The Jing Gong is a TM clone, so I figured that the DPMS would be the exact same, considering that it is as JG.

Naturally, I assumed that TM mags would work in the DPMS, but I have just read on another thread on here that the DPMS isn't compatible with TM mags, despite the fact that the JG is.

This is the specific gun that I am talking about:
http://www.businessvision.net/edge/M...&CategoryID=72


Note that it says "JG Clone"

Now, isn't this 100% the same gun? (minus the all black)

http://velocityarms.ca/index.php?mai...roducts_id=197

It says that it is "100% compatible with Tokyo Marui and related clones "

So is the DPMS the exact same as the JG, with a differnt brand name? Or a poorly made clone of a clone?

this is sorta confusing I agree, I've heard that one version of the DMPS panther m4 whatever you call it, is a JG rebrand, and then others say its plastic gearboxed POS, then others that say it's a Well rebrand, perhaps there are different versions or something

We had a few DPMS carbines in the store a week or so ago. I picked one up to show it to a customer.. Im not quite sure what happened to it, but the Delta ring had cracked in half. The threaded cylinder portion of the ring was still on the upper and the other half just kind of.. floated around. along with the rail system.

..id let DPMS perfect their products before buying them, lets say.

Not sure about other but I'm sure that this is the best DPMS gun that I ever seen.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2507/...1a0fa710_b.jpg

DPMS is a firearms company not an airsoft one. they have licensed their name out to cybergun who in turn put the DPMS name on airsoft and clearsoft guns. the DPMS a17 and the kats or on duty things are junk, the A-15 is the rebrand of JG/GB meaning they buy it from JG and put their name on it not they cloned JG so it is not a clone of a clone of a clone. They have also made ISC metal receivers branded DPMS

both links link to stores selling clear guns.......

Also Air Gun Source does not include S/H in that price and last I checked they wanted a ridiculous amount for shipping so expect the prices to even out after S/H is added vs. buying from frank.

http://dubstepped.net/wp-content/upl.../05/xzibit.jpg

Yo Dawg;

I heard you like clones.

So I cloned your clone so you can clone while you clone.

The thought of clones of clones kinda freaks me out. It's like incest....you get crazy inbred Deliverance-style hillbillly guns.

Tex, you aren't being completely clear. So both guns that are linked are the JG with the DPMS label? meaning it would function the exact same ast the Jing Gong, and is compatible with Tokyo Marui parts and mags?

I've worked on one of them..

Complete crap. save the extra hundred bucks and get a G&G clearline over it.

I don't understand how the JG can be so highly looked upon as a clone, yet when it is rebranded, it is instantly called crap. Is there something that I am missing here?

Because it isn't.

I get the feeling people call these guns jg clones and allow speculation so that they can feel better about their pos guns

http://velocityarms.ca/index.php?mai...roducts_id=197

So that isn't the same quality as the JG? WTF? I don't even understand how that happens

IT IS JUST A LABELED BODY

This is JG's old stuff... It is crap, 100% undoubtably crap. They've sold off all their old stock of mechboxes and parts to another company who is re-branding it

Newer JG stuff is alot better than this stuff... but I still would take a CA, G&P or TM over it any day.

Thanks for clearing that up. Would you take...say.... this?

http://velocityarms.ca/index.php?mai...roducts_id=262

Replace the piston head with a modify polycarb piston head and that's a decent starter gun.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=88937

I should be doing a reveiw of a gun that's probably VERY similar to the one you linked me to on the VA website. The one I reviewed there.. is the 2nd highest version I believe.

Hey, that clone you were originally asking about isn't total crap.

Yeah maybe it is to a gun doc or a dude with more than a season of airsoft under his belt.

It's definitely not the worst thing out there though.

I had one for a wee bit myself. It worked fine.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...highlight=Zeta

Anything M4 DPMS ish that can be found at Walmart or Canadian Tire is a toy however and not airsoft.

But is the first one that I linked a rebranded JG? what makes it worse than newer JG's? reliability I bet.

And as for the G&Gs and their cylinder issues, what would replacing the cylinder improve on? why is the stock one crap?

Stock piston head doesn't seal properly and give an inconsistent FPS range and loses about 15-20 FPS.

Once that is replaced you'll have a consistent gun that'll shoot with a +/- of 5-8 FPS

Consistency is a very good thing in airsoft :)

Yes it's a rebranded JG with a stock JG mechbox and metal bushings.

Thanks to both of you.

I am assuming all G&G's stock armalite internals are identical, so the only difference between some guns is the fact that they are metal?

I really can't figure out the difference between these two guns:

http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=471

http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=473

It seems to me that the only differences are the fact that the first ones rails run the lenght of the upper reciever and continue onto the outer barrel, while the second one is seperacted via delta ring? and the fact the first one coems with vertical grip, but that isn't coherent regarding the gun itself.


And sorry, I wasn't clear on my last post, I meant to ask if the first link i sent (the DPMD) was one like Amos was saying, and old crappier JG that got dumped on another company and rebranded.

thanks for all your help guys

No the internals are different depending what level of gun you get.

Get the highest level you can... It's worth the little bit extra for higher quality parts.

The DPMS / Cybergun / Panther Arms / JG rebrand M4A1 is an older model JG. JG's 2009 AEG's are superior. No question. However to call it crap is a wee bit of an exaggeration.

Here's a link that might be of interest.

http://www.canadianairgunsupply.com/

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe CAS have the monopoly / exclusive rights on G&G "smokeytintedreceiversoft" in Canada.

Check it out.

That being said, Classic Army make nice Armalites and are worth the extra cheddar.

I just wonder if any body can guess the brand of DPMS M4A1 that I show off, I'm curious if any body can guess it right. There are none of my friends can guess the brand. Thanks.

lol, I was just on that site. I was thinking about the CQBR Rec or the M146 S, and was just wondering if they would both perform identically, because I find the 416 is slightly more astetically appealing

I agree with Tex,...I had 4 different DPMS guns so far and they all performed well. A full metal version of M4 CQBR looks actually like a CA clone (markings on the upper receiver) and is compatible in terms of quality with CA stuff. The only mag that I have problem with in it is a pmag, simply too tightfit and it has to be pushed in with some pressure applied.

It's a Dboys re-brand, do I get a prize? :D

No, it's not correct so no price for you. :D

nope it is ICS

There's something to be said about that G&G M16 advanced. Not even $100 more and comes with some half decent upgrades including a tightbore barrel and a reinforced pitson.

Take off that carry handle and and add some Canadian style magazines for starters and you have one sexy AEG.

Not too shabby actually for a starter AEG.

what about the C.A.S. M16 with RIS? Or would that perform the exact same as the 416S?

I would really like something with rails and under $350.

I got one (Panther Arms A-15 M4A1 AEG) purchased from airgunsource.ca. That AEG is not a crap gun at all. It is a JG M4A1 and the velocity is around 355 - 370 fps. I can make a 1.5 inch x 1.5 inch grouping at 35 ft away. They are now still on sale, so if you want an economical but decent starter gun, I recommend you go buy from there. The shipping is around 14.95$ and is quite fast, you will see your AEG at your doorstep (or your local post office) within 48 hrs.



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