Opinions needed for TM SIG Sauer P226 vs TM HI-Capa..
 

i've done some seach and read reviews on both guns, well..but i admit not much, the P226 is a newer gun with a newer blow-back system but on my search i still find the Hi-Capa's power are still stronger than the P266...i really wanted a gun that could go thought both sides of a Coke can with green gas, but i liked the design of the P266 better even its less powerful..
CAN YOU GUYS THAT OWNS OR HAD TRIED BOTH GUNS GIVE ME SOME OPINIONS.. and i just want a Toyko Mauri :salute:

get the one you like. I have both and they are both great guns. Performance is pretty much the same. It comes down to what style you like better.

The Hi-Capa has *slightly* higher velocity due to it's slightly longer inner barrel. The difference is not significant enough to use that as a point of purchase though.

I guess it just comes down to which one has the appearance you like more? It seems like there is more aftermarket parts for the highcapa's though.

Yeah, Its basically up to a preference.. I find the P226 fits much nicer in my hand, and the decocker is fun to play with for hours on end, but the HiCapa has a larger magazine, far more upgrade parts, and has a slightly better 'kick' to it.

Both are pretty powerful on propane, and both work with it stock.

Keep in mind that magazines for the 5.1 are a bit long and you may have a bit of trouble fitting them into standard pistol pouches.. 4.3 is no problem however, same with the P226.

I picked the P226 mainly because it's a gun that not many people have (vs. the flooded market of 1911/2011/glock/beretta guns)

hicapa. I find the kick more beasty and accuracy/range slightly nicer. More meaner looking gun.

I think you should get whichever one is heavier in case you have to smack a bitch.

I like the highcapa 4.3 best.

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thx for all your feed-backs guys :cheers:

but i'm still wondering if the p226 can shoot thought both sides of a coke can?? Judging by the numbers in Redwolf.com its still weak, but i find some times the numbers are wrong too...So is the p226 just strong enough to punch thought two sides of a Coke can??
i still likes the looks of the P226, but is the blow-back feeling not feel any good??
i still need more opinion...i'm still on the p226's side more but i'll just not get it if it can't even punch though the can.

You probably wouldn't be able to tell the differences in performance between the Hicapa and the 226 without the use of a chrono. Even then, their ranges are practically identical. Stock, I'd say the blowback is also about the same, but I haven't fired them side-by-side to actually get a reasonable comparison.

Why are you so fixated on this completely useless benchmark? Many people have offered excellent opinions on the two models you were interested in - take their advice and use it measure any reviews you read, then make a choice.

Keep in mind if you are close enough for a pistol kill, you really don't want it to be souped up shooting an insane FPS. Your fixation on fps alone is a dangerous attitude and is likely to get someone injured.

I think he works for Pepsi. They still keep trying, but they still can't punch thru Coke's market.

From an ergonomics standpoint, some prefer the P226's rounded grip in opposition to the more rectangular (in cross section) Hicapa, but it's still a personal pref held by some (some prefer the hicapa grip).

From a strictly mechanical standpoint, I would think that the Hicapa would be more reliable. It has a lower parts count and does not have the complication of the decocker or double action mechanism. The Hicapa has a more modular mechanical build. You can get into the hammer spring without disassembling the trigger or sear group.

If your into gunsmithing super short and light tweaked out triggers the Hicapa has a lot more room for that than the P226. If you're into double action triggers, the Sig is for you.

Just like in the real world, different pistols have different features with preferences which appeal to sections of the pistol market which is why there hasn't been a complete migration to a single gun type. Asking "wat am bestest gun" is as valid in the real steel market as it is in the airsoft replica market. The some of the justifications are just different.

^^you sounded like i'm a little kid that just wants to hurt people with a stronger gun... :sad: (to: Kokanee)

MadMax, your informations is very help-ful..as always..but btw, what do you mean by double action triggers??
and by decocker or double action mechanism, do you mean is not right to cock the slide on the gun when you make the first shoot??

i forgot to note that i'm only using it for targeting pratice in my basement and no more.
i really want a good a solid blow-back feeling which for me is = a gun that is strong enough to pucnch though the can. It seems that the P226 is too weak for that, but i thought the Hi-Capa was able too...so i'm just abit confessed now and need more feed-backs.
"The feeling is more important to me"
and my stand point of the feeling is though the Coke can, without mod-ing it.

Double action = You do not need to have the hammer in the fully cocked position to fire the gun. The P226 trigger will pull the hammer to the rear and release it, whereas the trigger on the Hi-Capa only releases the hammer if it's in the full back position.

Basically think of it this way, when you pull the trigger on the P226, it'll go Click Click Click and the hammer will move, whereas if you pull the trigger on the Hi-Capa (which is single action), nothing will move except the trigger.

I found my P226 fires straight 300 FPS dead on with .2's on propane at slightly cooler than room temperature, so it should be enough to puncture some coke cans.

If you're just gonna be doing some target shooting in the basement, I highly recomend pellet guns. Not only are they cheaper, they have no drift and you'll be able to penetrate a can. Crosman has a nice 1911 replica that's about a quarter of the price of a WA, and if you really want blowback, they have a CO2 PPK...

thx for the recomendation Captain but i already owned a CO2 pellet guns which i bought half a year ago so now i've decided to move on and now try a TM gbb...

i've just done some more search on the two guns and i find that for extensive use of green gas for the Hi-Capa will cos a common problem with the 0-ring to keep on blowing off and theres this pistin hard problem i don't really understand but it kinda seems that the P226 will stand better with green gas, is this really true????
is seems to me that the P226 was green ready out of the box..

i'm still wonder how bad is the o-ring problem with the TM Hi-Cap 5.1..??
i was ready to go with the Hi-Capa for its slight better hard kick, fps, and the more better weight
(which such bring a better feeling of kick also)

:!: a note for all the guys on this topic: :!:
i'm very sorry for all these posting and questions, every one here seems to be really helpful but i need to place a hold for one of these guns by tomorrow so i really need my answers quick with less time of search. I need one of these by Monday so i really don't wanna go wrong with my choose..and i knew they only had one P226 in-stock left so i had to pick the right one by then.

Depends on the ammo weight you use. Lighter, higher fps, not likely or as well. Heavier ammo, like 0.30g, yes you can, even from farther away than 6 inches.

Not a lot of point in "can killing power" though, should base it on range (do it past 100ft is impressive with a GBB) and ability to hit a mansized target more times than miss it. What I've seen, both loaded with 0.25g are pretty damn good, go a bit higher weight (0.28 or 0.30g) and scary will be an apt description for the range and accuracy.

sorry but one last question i wanna know..

what are my chances of me encounting the o-ring problem if i had to use green gas in the Hi-Capa 5.1..is it as high as a 8 out of 10 hi-capa owners that has had that problem happen when green gas is used and what are the ways i can lower my chance of encountering that problem other than just sticking with 134c gas??

Only heard of the 'O-ring' problem when using the higher power gas in hot (+30C)weather, in which case, nothing stopping you from using duster at those temperatures and never having to deal with the problem.

even then, its an easy fix

Once YOU learned how to do it, yes. Recall the frustration you went through last summer when it first started happening! Lol

And hey, if you happen to blow your o-ring, PM me, I have TONS of aftermarket piston heads to unload!

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i really don't know how to gun smith if i really happen to blow off the o-ring i will have to go though a really hard hasle..i will just be really really hard for me.

Thx again guys, but juding from CDN_ Stalker, do you mean the o-ring problem is only encounter in places as hot as Hong Kong..and we airsofters in Canada will never have to really worry about that problem?? :???:
You'll make my day if you say YES..and thats like about my only worries by now.

If you're not interested in doing any gun smithing, stick to pellet guns. Airsoft guns are nice looking models which happen to be able to shoot pellets.

Pellet guns are designed from the ground up to shoot projectiles powerfully and the fact that they bear some resemblance to real arms is that they also shoot stuff.

Only experience with Hi Capas blowing their O-rings is what I read on here, and what I've seen Droc go through on hot days with his not shooting properly. He'll fill you in more with info relating to when and how hot he had those problems, and how he fixerd it if he feels like it.

Recall him only wanting to use duster in case he broke his new pride & joy, until he tried propane in his Hi Capa and got a serious hard-on with the kick and performance of it, then said he was never going back to duster and would use propane til his gun broke, then replace the parts with cool upgraded parts after that.

it just blows the oring back, used a small screwdriver to slide it back to poistion and keep on shooting.

I had it happen to mine as well, except it blew out on every single shot. My only solution was to replace the o-ring.

It could also have been because I upgraded to a (heavier) metal slide and a stronger recoil spring... it increases blowback speed and kick, but as a result, there's more pressure on the o-ring which is my suspected cause of the o-ring blowout.

The CP99 compact might make a nice comprimise for you...

and so is would the newer TM Hi-Capa 4.3 has any problems or will it be a better gun than the 5.1??
i think maybe that would be a chose just at between the 5.1 and 226..
or maybe i should just buy the P226 so i don't have to worry about that o-ring problem.

i'm also interested in upgrading my gun or say smith-ing but cos i'm a newbi to airsoft i'm just acard that if i take my gun apart i would be about to put it back together to work.. i really don't have that confident yet...

The 4.3 has a different o-ring/piston head setup and not as prone to blowouts. However, because of the shorter barrel, the velocity will be about the same as a 226 if not less.

Again, if velocity is that important to you, it's not that difficult to upgrade these guns to shoot harder. The Hi-Capa has more upgrading room to play with than the 226.

Hicapa has more of a dangerous pressence...IMHO of course

thx ILLusion and Droc: you guys are the most helpful fews here :angel:

i gusee i'll just have to go witht he P226 after all these, i do like the Hi-cap 5.1..bigger does mean meaner to me too and i do like the power thing with my guns...i find the Desert Ealge HK is just too big for me, it just looked too much like the toy guns and some those rubber once from the Time Crisis arcade. If it wasn't for the o-ring problem i've discover-ed with the 5.1..
as you ILL said if the 4.3 is just the same as the P226 i would just have to go with the P226 of its better design imo..and its the new-er one from TM :oops: now heres hoping new-er means better :oops:
the only downside is that i know its a very very weak gun, i hope the blow-back is not bad at all. "fingers cross NOW :rrr: "

one more stupid question i have is, it know the P226 is a double action gun, and will there be any problem if i just play it as a single action gun?? i love to cook my gun with the slide when after i insert the mag.
First shoot be cooked..is cool imo.

Actually, the 4.3 is newer than the 226, which is why there are improved internals over the 5.1.

and yes, like a real 226, the Marui 226 is a single/double action. Pretty much ANY semi-automatic pistol is single-action, but not all are double action.

thx alot for all of you that had give me feedback for me to pick my guns :cheers:

i finally came home with a Hi-Capa 5.1, life is really never what you'll expect and i was going to get the P226 in the first place but the box of the P226 had holes and crack on the cover (really bad imo) and box of my things is a really really important part for me too. I liked both gun almost the same anyways, just picked the P226 cos it a really really green gas really and newer gun, but finally had to get the 5.1 cos of the bad box of the P226.

Anyways, now i just hope i'll get lucky and hopfully i'll not encounter the o-ring problem that some 5.1 owners his gone though.... :borg:

... Anyone else thinking:

"Phew, it's sure good that he asked all those questions..."

:lol:

*edit* - It looks like I'll be laughing about this for a while. Someone tell me I'm not the only one...

^^you guys had still teach-ed me alot..so what!! At less from ILLusion, Droc, CDN_Stalker, Captain Tenneal and couple others.
i don't get whats so funny here.

P226. More holster choices and more accessories.

Accessories? 5.1 and the 4.3 have rails too... Admittedly M6/M3 Insight Surefires don't look GOOD on them :D but they have as much accessory potential as the P226.

The ugprades alone the 5.1/4.3 have twice as many as the P226 (including cosmetic ones)...

but dude, a meatbasher kit is better then any light/lazer. least when you run out of BBs, you can beat your friends into submission with the front of your gun.

You, man. The box. It's funny that you learned so much, only to base your final decision on a piece of cardboard. It's funny.

That, and the way you phrased your description of the entire scene. Very nice. :cheers:

By the way, I'm not taking a dig at you, I really just found the whole thing pretty entertaining.

Or make a DAMN tasty blue-cheese hamburger... Mmmm...

BTW: NINE BALL Strike Under Mount Base for Marui P226 Rail

:lol:

Never thought I would need one of those meatmashers but after mercying someone with the muzzle end of my pistol and their face took the weapon out of battery (thus rendering incapable of firing) I suddenly found myself wanting one. Back on topic though, stock the P226 and the Hi-Capa (5.1 & 4.3) are very similar weapons. As someone pointed out it's more about the feel of the gun in the hand that really matters. I find the P226 grip a little uncomfortable for my hands but the 5.1 is just about perfect (Tenneal with his meaty fingers likes the delicate P226, go figure) One distinct advantage that Hi-Capa owners have that no one else has mentioned is the fact that there are the TM 5.1, TM 4.3 and a slew of WE 5.1 and 3.8 variants. All of which use the same mags. If you run out of ammo in the field you may very well be able to find someone with a mag for you within your group.