Drug-use at Airsoft Games
 

I don't know how anyone else feels about this, which is why I made this thread. While attending one of Flagraiders games a few months back, I noticed that a select small group (3-4) Airsofters were smoking pot. Just wondering if anyone else knew about this and how everyone feels about this issue.

Unforunately, I don't know who the players are, nor can I recall the game, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the night games at FR.

Personally, I would say ingesting anything that is going to affect your performance adversely is kind of foolish, but as long as it doesn't make them irresponsible, I don't really care... I would be semi against it, insofar as that people wouldn't think that DRINKING would be fine, so why should doing drugs be?

Personally I thinks its there choice to do it in private but it isnt safe at an airsoft game, Guns and Drugs just dont mix. :kill:

Drugs, alcohol and any other mind altering substances have no place on the field. Period, no exceptions.

* I was going to make a joke but thought it appropriate to be serious on the question. We don't need to have any accidents, bad judgement calls or police involvement in our games.

It was the In Country boys....They really take their MilSim seriously

(THAT was a joke...)

Some fields allow after game drinking etc.

It should never be done during a game since you are more likely to do something stupid

Exactly. If you're gonna drink, or whatever, the post game is the time for it.

Okay, that's not funny, even as a joke.

Drug use on the field has no place - if you see anyone imbibing (sp?) in a prohibited substance (being alcohol wear not permitted, or pot) then let the field owner/admin know. Then you have fufilled (sp?) your responisibility as a player, it's up to the field owner/admin to take care of it.

ps. srry about my grammer, a bit knackered at the moment, celebrating etc...

Great... IF (!!!!!) one of those days cops show up and see high people playing airsoft, guess what. "People who dressed up as soldiers and wield what appears to be assault rifles smoke pot" would be the head lines... the whole "responsible player" card would become completely useless.

Very good point. I think any "self altering activities" should be left to the 'after-game parties'.

yes.. actually it was...

anyhoo drugs are drugs.. they are not legal and really dont belong in public much less at an airsoft game.. we have enough problems with legality we dont need people searching for ways to make it worse..

Lets just find out who they were by a process of elimination. 2 years ago at Deadlands a kid was caught and taken out of the game by Wolfpack members.

well theres only been one FR night game recently? Around 1 month or so I believe, was there any before that, that have been in the last few months? I dont think so.

Who all attended? I did myself but dont have a great memory of everyone else who did attend. I know lots of us were smoking cigars. Alot of dumb people sometimes confuse it with marijuana.

Any other info?

I remember a few years back when SD-Unit used to host games at Paintball City, I was talking to own of the owners there and he told me the day before he had to kick out 5 paintballers because they were drinking beer in the parking lot between games. If you want to go out for a drink or two or smoke whatever after a game, that's your choice, but don't do it during a game. It may be fun to you, but you could hurt somebody in a game if your not thinking properly. If it was at FR I would have told somebody that worked there. If cops did show up, Flag Raiders would be taking some heat from it. I've seen cops come by at Wasaga before. Private fields probably don't have to worry about that, but it's still a safety issue. I think this should have been broughten up a few months ago when you noticed it and the game was still fresh in everyones memory.

He was caught by sitting in his car smoking a joint with the window rolled down, we thought it was "someones" mom,but it turned out the kid was just stupid. I will post the name when I remember it.

Pot is a benign drug. Slightly more intoxicating than cigarettes. For some players, it may not be good to get high on the field. Those who know the effects of such a benign drug will have no problems playing the game.

and I'm sure they had more fun then usual.

Alchohol and drugs that really alter your ability to think clearly are a BIG no no. That sorta stuff will end up with you having 1 eye.

but pot? heh... it's almost a joke someone would get worried about someone smoking ganj before a game. It seems not too many of you have much drug experience what so ever.

It can still alter peoples mind, and make there responses slower among other things. Which could pose a safety threat to those that play with that person. Like I said in my other post, this incident occured at a public paintball field. Where the field owner is liable.

potheads don't bother posting, this isn't a debate on if the drug is harmful or not... people would make the same argument for alcohol. The point is, do we want this shit around before or duing a game. Keep focus.

I would say absoloutley not, profoundly alter your mind when you're on your own time.

First off... I'm not a pot head. I don't even smoke weed anymore, but I've had years of experience with it. A daily user will have no problems with motor functions, rationalizing, or focus. This is stricly my point

Alchohol will make you stupid no matter how often you drink.

"profoundly alter your mind".. ha... you people need some experience before your so quick to judge.

Isn't it uncomfortable having your head up your ass?

Maybe you should read some of my posts. This isn't about whether a player can smoke or drink and still have his or her motor skills or focus. This is not about the affects it has on that player, but rather the affect it has on other players and the liabilities of the field owner. On public fields like flag raiders, cops can come by at any time and give shit to the field owner and possibly fine them because of that persons actions.

You seem to have a lot of drug experience.

I've read your other posts.

We impersonifiate (SP) the side of the law and order (terrorist wannabe don't count, but still should have the mentality of the crowd) so wwe should abide to all laws, legal and logical.

At Zone27, no drugs or alcool BEFORE and during is tolerated. We gladly invite people to take a beer around the fire AFTER the game. Anyone caught being intoxicated on the field will be kicked out and probably banned.

The only place I tolerate drugs, it's when they do it at their home, out of sight.

We have a public image to keep shiney. Players using drugs or alcool just is not the image we should project.

I just left a big party because I saw too much people using drugs. Not even hiding it. Im just sick of it. It's a lack of respect for those that don't consume it, because if we don't bitch about it, it's like we aproove. I don't want to be part of a group that is high on something.

Smoking weed unsafe? Chances are all that will happen is the guy will forget to flip his safety off during play :smack: .

The real question is why at a game? People will be offended and their opinion will change of you greatly, one would think the person in question would have known this. I agree that being high at an airsoft game is inappropriate and irresponsible, but let's not call it "dangerous to other players". Anybody with experience in this area will back me up on this, it's more dangerous to have hungover or sleepfucked players than somebody who is high at a game.

*Before I get jumped on by people who haven't read my whole post, my official stance is I disagree with marijuana use during or before airsoft games*

I say it could be dangerous to other players. If this person forgets to flip his safety off during play, will he remember to clear his gun and flip his safety off when he exits the playing field?

Edit: I'm not jumping on you or anything, I agree with you. I am just backing up my previous point.

Or forget to turn the safety ON after play...

PS: I'm not flaming you, just providing a very possible opposite to your statement.

EDIT: GRIM GET OUT OF MY HEAD! GET OOOUT! :confused:

EDIT2: GOODRIDDANCE, Why do you always feel the need to argue with everyone in every thread? Yes your right, some people can act normal when smoking weed, but you know what, either way it still might make OTHER people uncomfortable playing with that person... And since pot is still illegal, a pot smoker has no right what-so-ever to argue it.

IMO If you wanna smoke weed, keep it away from the field...

well there are some ppl that have to take pot and as med's. cancer is any example and there are mant other drungs out there that will affect the way u think and act but u may need to take them.

People that take those medication don't belong on the field anyway.

NO DRUGS. no exceptions.

I take valium for my anxiety disorder. Does this mean I'm not allowed on the field? Someone who got 2 hours sleep is more dangerous to other player and themselves on the field than someone who takes benign drugs.

I agree, there can be liability issues with the field owner and the "culprits". So it stands that drugs shouldn't be consumed for that reason before or during matches. However... safety is not an issue.

Steve_187... I dont know why I argue with everyone on these forums. Just the people I guess. If you don't want to see it (drugs), than don't look. Drive away. leave. Its illigal, like you said, and nobody's going to stop players from toking.

If it disgusts you, why are you around it?

Liability issues... keep drugs off the field.
personal issues... keep them to yourself.

When it happens at PUBLIC events it is no longer personal. Regardless of what you say about it being "benign" does not change anything. Drugs, alcohol of any kind have no place at the field. Sure we can argue that 1 drink or 1 joint is not enough to affect us but that is completely not the point.

If you want to get high, then fine, go get high, just don't do it before, during or at any public airsoft game. Is that so hard to understand?

Drugs are bad mmmkay? As for it's use at airsoft games - that's a no-no. If they want to go home and get stoned all the way to the moon - great, that's their choice. Just leave it at home. Drug use is illegal, and should not be tolerated at any games, period. Next time you see it, inform the organizer and the field owner please.

Some fields allow drinking at games, but only AFTER the game is over. And guess what? Drinking is LEGAL. Smoking pot is NOT.

As for the people saying potheads wouldn't do anything harmful - that's a fucking joke. Don't pull the "guess you people don't have enough experience" on others, because I can guran-fucking-tee you there are quite a few people on here who HAVE first-hand experience.

I didnt say that it discusts me. I was simply stating that since it's an illegal narcotic, then someone has no legal right to defend smoking it in a public venue. Until the law changes, it's just the truth...

Please quit being a fucking tool.

Guys, i guess non of your know why i always go into the drug lab during games... I do my cocaine sniffing and such. I also go upstairs and crouch in a corner and do a nice injection of acid. Drugs are fine, just do them when people arnt looking...

Trust me here, when your high on that stuff, you focus and easily double your kill count.

:)

Yeah, i agree on this one. No drugs on the field at all. I dont think pot and airsoft go well together. Never done it but ive seen some crazy shit happen at college under the influence...

Agreed. Perhaps we should all listen to good riddance as he seems to understand how pot affects everyone based on his own stoner experiences.

Give me a break.

Dozer you jackass, I thought we agreed - no touching the merchandise...we split 50/50. That's it, I'm cutting off your supply! ;)

What about diazepam? Would field owners restrict that drug?

Snipers in real life take diazepam injections to relax themselves and prevent their arms from the natural swaying/twitching.

I'm sure theres at least one or two die-hard milsim'ers that would love to do things like a real sniper =)

Thanks for the cookie smartass ;-)

We got a winnar?
YOU come to a game someone ELSE is hosting and start smoking pot. According to you people who dislike the sight should leave the game because of you?
:banghead:

Is there tool of the day award?

PS
Just smell of that shit makes me sick... and sometimes some fuckwit is smoking pot close to where i live and i smell that shit half the night. Sleeping with closed windows is not a solution on hot days. Why do I have to loose sleep 'cause someone does illigal shit in "privacy of thier home" :rrr:

omg. Are you trying to find loopholes or are you just trying to prove that you played metal gear solid? Either way stop being a tool. The point of this thread is NO illegal substances or other legal substances (ie: alcohol) at games. How is that so hard to understand?

Getting stoned, getting tanked <--- off the field please.

There's a time and place for everything and getting stoned or/and tanked is wrong. With airsoft, it's safety first.

Please have respect for your fellow players.
This is the reason why some of the vets here hate you younger/rebelous folk.

Flaming isn't nice.

Valium is used by snipers worldwide.
http://www.linkbase.org/valium/
Edit: By the way, if you didn't know, Valium is a brand of Diazepam. Not trying to find loopholes, Valium won't make you stupid.

There are other muscle relaxants in the market if you really must know that too. I don't support the use of potentially impairing drugs at airsoft games.

I don't think Diazepam or Valium would be accepted on a field. Airsoft snipers have been playing for many years without it, so I don't think they need it now.

I dont care what the effects may or may not be, injesting an illegal substance in a sport that is already in a legal grey area is jsut asking for trouble.

The bottom line is its illegal, so dont fucking bring it. I know many hosts will boot your ass if your caught with it on the field, simply for the trouble it can bring down with the police, ie: Cops find drugs on someone with an airsoft, decides to write it up as a replica, confiscates a bunch of crap and makes a whole mess of paperwork for the host to deal withm plus un-wanted media attention.

Don't do it, and if you think" Fuck you, i'll do what i want where i want, its illegal, but it dosn't harm you" then you are living proof it does harm you, cause your just plain fucking retarded.

this is a pretty simple thing here guys. odds are, on a public field, if it's illegal than it's also incorporated in to the fields policy as contriban.

it's not worth the potential bad p/r/fines/charges/all of the above.

Well, just for reference purposes:
http://www.bordeninstitute.army.mil/...hChapter05.pdf

The US army even took note that it DOES increase target accuracy and have banned it from marksmanship competitions.

Just for you dron_jones

this horse is pretty dead man. let it go

It is quite obvious from your posts that you did not read my post or what i was trying to communicate.

Congratulation you found out that the army uses drugs on their soldiers. That was top secret information... i don't know how you hax0red the internet to find it.

Read my post again to see the point that you obviously missed.

Time to lock this thread

well the thing is... its extremely easy to understand... but some people like to argue for the sake of it..

Btw, Goodriddance: I really hope you never get your hands on an Airsoft gun. But even if you do, I can pretty much say that with your attitude, you will be playing in your basement with it...Good luck getting invited to any games.

Rule number one I was tought at the archery field (and it applies to anything else related to real rifles and toy BB guns) is that you never mix the weapons with alcool on the field. We are talking about guns in the presence of other individuals, I think that this should close the subject of alcool use. And yes, many will debate that a drink can't really screw up your judgment that much, and so did a multitude of adults at the local tournament I attended, but you drank a sip and you were off to home, tent or RV, period!

Now, that implies that anything illegal or not (be it by prescription or simply that it has not been labeled yet due to it's complicated access), that can have an effect on your senses and/or judgment, should not be used during a game for everyone's safety, no matter how benign the effect on your judgment.


Finally, there comes the plain and simple point that we want to keep this sport's reputation as clean as can be in the present anti-gun political situation of this day and age, and that WE, as a community, should not tolerate the use and/or possession of illicit substances previous/during/after events, period.

Drugs are illegal, so I don't see why there even is a friggin debate about this matter in the first place!


And that the only debate there is lies against pot-head teenagers who just want pot to become legal makes me laugh in a way. It's just sad that this board we call a community is so full of individuals who have absolutely no care what so ever about the well-being of the sport, but just want to brag to their friends that they can get a gun (or already have one) and want to bring it out to have fun at school, and maybe scare a teacher or two.

Now, I also have a bad news for those pot-head teenager kids: If and when it becomes legal to use marijuana in Canada, it will only be under prescription use, and being an idiot won't be one of the symptoms that will qualify your doctor to give that prescription... Too bad, most of you would probably qualify if it were the case, so fight hard all you want, you'll still be in total illegality by using it if and when that bill passes.

Before and after, you'll still end up not being able to use it on the field. Illegal things remain illegal, and we want then the heck away from our games.


-The Anonymous

the energies spent in arguing for the sake of "because i can" could be much better spent on other things. like watching grass grow or paint dry. acknowledge the opinion and disregard his stick stirring this pot.

Play the game, then party later. If you want to stand around a bong and shoot each other in the dick with some EBBs at home, then by all means, do so.

Safety is the only issue here, and if there is an unsafe person at the game, I won't stop until they are removed/ejected. An unsafe person includes but is not limited to someone under the effects of alcohol or narcotics.

And everyone. Don't buy that, "One joint isn't going to do anything," bullshit. If it isn't going to do anything, then it can certainly wait until after the game is over.

*sigh*

</rant>

Sorry. I'm big on safety, and I utterly hate ignorant stoner fucks who have to drag their marijuana martyrdom right through the middle of everything. They're just as bad as vegetarians.

-J

and yuppies

So, kiddies what have we learned today?

Drugs are bad mmmkay. Drugs are illegal. They have no place at all at any airsoft games/venues. Now repeat after me. Drugs are bad mmmkay?

Excuse me?
I deserve the right to play this game just as much as you do. Just to get through the pain each day that I have from the moment I wake up, I have to take some powerful narcotics. Maybe not weed ( but that was an option that the doctor gave me) but stronmg enough pills that would make the average person seeing the proverbial pink elephant. Yet after taking these meds for 7 years to me it feels no different than my wife taking 2 Motrin.
And even with those meds in my system, I can still play this game fine and as safely asd any other member on this board.

Medical issues are some what different then recreational users. I wouldn't want some one playing high on legal but controled substances either. Of course these things (medical uses) should be a case by case basis as the meds that my dr has scripted me can send me for a loop, ie I get really really high when I mix them with diet coke (every other pop is fine though). But then I wouldn't take my meds when I'm driving or requiring alertness in the first place. Then there's people like you who due to intense pain would be unsafe with out the drugs in the first place.

I like drugs.