Experienced AEG upgraders please look at this.

[Uziguy]

I am upgrading my CA8-2 (G36 based ver. 3 mechbox). I am looking for a ROF upgrade but it still needs to shoot 350-400 fps. Here is what I am looking to buy, please give advice.

SYSTEMA TURBO SHORT Airsoft AEG EXTREME SPEED Motor
SYSTEMA M130 Spring Upgrade Marui Airsoft 350-450 FPS
SYSTEMA AEG Spur Flat Gear Torque Up Power Ratio ZS0212
Systema ALUMINUM Piston Head with Ball Bearing #ZS0431
Systema TEFLON ALUMINUM PISTON - Gearbox V2/3 #ZS0516
Systema Metal SHIM SET - Marui ICS Airsoft AEG ZS-07-02
King Arms Airsoft AEG 7mm Oilless Metal Bushing #KA0507
Guarder TEFLON GREASE for Airsoft AEG Gearbox #GE0730
INTELLECT Mini Type 9.6V 1400mAh NiMH Airsoft Battery

I am not to sure which gear set to buy (regular, high speed or torque up) But I assumed that with an M130 spring I would need the torque up gears.

I am fairly new to the aeg thing but I have dis and reassembled this mechbox twice and an MP7 a couple of times. So I am confident that I can perform these upgrades myself. I also have that mechbox.com site and my airsoft press CD so that I can do it all properly (especially the shimming)

Please let me know what you guys think of my upgrade parts, and remember im looking for a Rate Of Fire upgrade which still shoots close to 400 fps.....

[ThunderCactus]

400fps with a systema turbo motor?
the first time you shoot your gun it'll go something like this
especially with a mini battery, you'll get off alot of rounds, but you'll run out of juice real fast.
its really not a good idea to be shooting 400fps with a high ROF, no gearbox can take that kind of stress for long.
most guns ive seen with an RoF over 1200rpm and shoot 360fps+ dont last 4 games without breaking. my friends LMG36 has a RoF in excess of 1300rpm, shoots 330fps, and has lasted through more than 60,000 rounds. all its got are high speed gears and a reinforced piston.

[swatt13]

id go with the torque up gears for sure. better on battery life and easier onb the mechbox. i would reccommend against the aluminum piston head imo. that hard a hit with aluminum head CAN cause cause damage. i would just go with the systema silent piston head, you only lose a couple fps that way.

[Uziguy]

Thanks guys, I will change the piston head to this;

Systema DURACON Piston Head with Ball Bearing #ZS0432 (it says its much more quiet and lower impact than the alluminum) Great advice keep it coming.

[Kos-Mos]

and get a large battery. A mini pack can only drive 10-15A. While a large is more around 30-40A. If you don't want to wait 5 secs before your gun starts firing good then you will need this. Plus it will help your motor live longer, since it won't be draining extreme amps for as long (if it can accelerate faster, then it will drain the same current for less time).

And if you want to have high ROF, an aluminium piston is not the way to go... heavier=more impact stress on the mechbox, but also more mass to accelerate, and more stress on the gears/motor/battery....basic physics.

I have not tried a lot, but I think you should keep FPS below 350....just to releive some stress from the mechbox...anyways, you shoul

*edit* the heck?!?!?! double post???

[Kos-Mos]

and get a large battery. A mini pack can only drive 10-15A. While a large is more around 30-40A. If you don't want to wait 5 secs before your gun starts firing good then you will need this. Plus it will help your motor live longer, since it won't be draining extreme amps for as long (if it can accelerate faster, then it will drain the same current for less time).

And if you want to have high ROF, an aluminium piston is not the way to go... heavier=more impact stress on the mechbox, but also more mass to accelerate, and more stress on the gears/motor/battery....basic physics.

I have not tried a lot, but I think you should keep FPS below 350....just to releive some stress from the mechbox...anyways, you should be able to see the line of bbs flying, so a lobe shot is easy to do on the 20th bb and on...

You might even want to get some high quality 2 cells Li-Po pack... something along the lines of 2000mAh/20C rating... then you will be able to give 40A to your motor, and run it on 7.4V...don't worry, 7.4v Li-Po fires an upgraded gun just like a 9.6v

[The Saint]

Please aim for ~380fps spring (SP110, MS110S) and no more, that'll give you some buffer in terms of not accidentally upgrading over most game limits. Your fellow players thank you in advance for not autoing them with 14 RPS at 399fps. As Grey says, 400fps is a limit, NOT a goal.

Forgo the aluminum piston as well, go with polycarb. WHEN you strip a piston, and you will, they're cheaper and easier to replace than gears.

Get a sector chip, as a preventative measure against misfeeds due to your ROF goal.

Get a G&P KV stock and use a large battery, I don't think 1400mah even at 9.6v will last long with what you're trying to do.

Consider upgrading your hopup bucking while you're at it, if you're still using the stock stuff.

[damage]

You need large battery(sub-c) to crank that Systema M130. With your listed upgrade you be hitting around 450+fps. I had a similar internal set up and it is shooting 460fps(sniper aeg). If you want to shoot around 400fps and under go for Prometheus MS110 and Guarder SP110.

Originally Posted by Uziguy

Thanks guys, I will change the piston head to this;

Systema DURACON Piston Head with Ball Bearing #ZS0432 (it says its much more quiet and lower impact than the alluminum) Great advice keep it coming.

The duracon piston head is excellent.

Gears are expensive, but personally, I suggest systema reinforced standard ratio gears. Torque up gears are nice, but they reduce ROF and have a different sound to them(they whine slightly). I was all about the torque gears and got the ultimate torque gears....though, I was shooting 470fps, but with a 8.4v the ROF was terrible.

Get a large battery. It makes a world of difference. Since you have a G36, you may run into trouble fitting a large battery, but they make front handgaurds that fit them and also there is a stock that will take it too. By large I suggest atleast 3000mah. 8.4v is fine is a safe way to run. Its still fast but its much more reliable then a higher voltage. Though, 9.6v wouldnt be a bad idea.

A bearing spring guide will help also. Adds a few fps and can help ROF. it allows the spring to put all its force into forward motion rather then twisting against the mechbox. Since the duracon piston head has a bearing also, both ends of your spring will be on bearings.

Tightbores rock.

Use Prometheus springs. They are very consistent and can get very close to 400fps. the 110 should land you in the 380 area, and with the few fps you get from the spring guide, piston head and tightbore, you sould be just under 400fps.

As for the motor. Its something that doesnt need to be changed. the Systema motors cost a boatload and dont run all that better then the EG1000. Want fast? Eagle force hammer. Never use one, but word is that the top model is wicked fast...not just a little fast, but word is its like going from a sedan to a top fuel drag racer.

Originally Posted by ILLusion

The Eagle Force Hammer motors deliver more torque and ROF than Marui models. The Eagle 1100 motor only provides a slight performance improvement over the Marui EG1000, but the Eagle 1300 gives a DRASTIC improvement - mostly noticeable in guns using lower rated batteries..

Also, because of the way they're built with fully serviceable parts and ball bearing rollers, they are much more durable and perform much smoother for better battery life.

There is no way to increase ROF without sacrificing durability, especially with higher FPS.

Just remember to stay safe. high rof on a stock spring isnt that bad, but it can be a world of hurt with 400fps.

[ILLusion]

That battery is going to get smoked in no time with a setup like that. Especially that cell chemistry turning such a high current draw setup...
You're better off with a large (sub-C) nicad 2400mAh pack, you won't notice much (if any) loss in ROF between a standard ratio and a torque up ratio gear set. I would highly recommend going with a torque up gear set for that spring to reduce the burnout on your motor windings, mechanical switch, and life expectancy of your battery. With a spring that heavy, you can safely go up to 9.6V.

I'd also recommend swapping the piston head AND the piston to a synthetic material, rather than aluminum.

Take out the Systema Spur Gear out of your list if you're already getting a gear set.

You have 7mm bushings in your list - those will ONLY fit 7mm gearboxes. Keep in mind that MOST gearboxes are 6mm size. Most bushings and bearings are also 6mm. Only in the last couple of years has 7mm bearings/bushings/gearboxes been making an appearance from more aftermarket manufacturers.

I also recommend an aftermarket spring guide. Stock plastic spring guides can break from even an M110 spring.

I've never played with the new Systema Turbo motors yet, but if they're anything like their Magnum motors, they should perform awesome. I haven't put any long term use in to these motors, but they so far perform GREAT. Even the Magnum has considerably high ROF (based on the application I was using it in, a 300% upgraded PSG-1.) Keep in mind, that these motors are meant for high ROF, sacrificing torque. With a heavy spring like that, you will NEED torque up or super torque up gears in order to use this motor. Otherwise, the result will be burned out motor, burned out battery, melted wires, burned out switch contacts, etc.

Finally... I have no idea where you plan on using this gun, but it won't be on almost any non-private game hosted by known ASC members in Ontario. Let me know where and when you'll be playing so that I'm NOT present. Or at least let me know what side you're on, so I can stay behind your muzzle - not in front of it.

[Uziguy]

OK, so I dropped to a Systema M120 spring so that I could still use a mini battery, because there is no way that I can see fitting a large type battery in this gun (no room in the grip or stock)

Here is an updated list of what im planning on getting, please give me any advice you may have on my new list;

SYSTEMA TURBO SHORT Airsoft AEG EXTREME SPEED Motor
SYSTEMA M120 Spring Upgrade Marui Airsoft
SYSTEMA AEG Spur Flat Gear set Torque Up Power Ratio ZS0212
Systema DURACON Piston Head with Ball Bearing #ZS0431
SYSTEMA Advance POLYCARBONATE Half Teeth PISTON ZA0502N
Systema Spring Guide w/ Ball Bearing Version 3 #ZS0505
Systema Metal SHIM SET - Marui ICS Airsoft AEG ZS-07-02
King Arms Airsoft AEG 7mm Oilless Metal Bushing #KA0507
Guarder TEFLON GREASE for Airsoft AEG Gearbox #GE0730
INTELLECT Mini Type 9.6V 1400mAh NiMH Airsoft Battery

[damage]

Your M120 set up will be shooting 415-425fps. My Prometheus MS110 set up shoots 395fps and Guarder SP110 shoots 407fps. What the heck check out ILLusions spring chart to give you an idea which spring to pick.

[The Saint]

You don't really need new bushings, because the CA bushing is apparently already bearing-less metal. You don't need a new spring guide unless you're trying to milk out a tiny bit of extra fps, since CA8 comes with a brass spring guide. Actually, looking at the CA8's spec, you don't need a new cylinder either. Hell, you can keep the stock gears and shims if you stay with SP110/MS110 springs and below.

You'll almost certainly exceed 400fps by a clear margine with a M120, short of a mislabelled spring. Since you're also going for a high ROF (I assume you want it for autofiring purposes, not trigger response), public games in Ontario will have a serious problem with your gun. And like ILLusion, I'd certainly have issues playing with you.

[Uziguy]

I uderstand exactly what your saying, I wouldnt want to get hit by this gun either. It is actually for plinking, I am a chairsofter/plinker/targetshooter. I have never been to a game and have no interest in it, I wont get into why just that I never will. The only reason im upgrading is because two weeks after I bought the gun the grub nut fell out of the motor pinion gear and stripped a couple of gears and broke a bearing and basically fu*&^'ed everything up. So I figured I might as well upgrade it if I need to buy replacement parts anyways.

So that being said..... will these upgrades work with the mini intellect 9,6V 1400mah?

[yanhchan]

I don't see why it wouldn't work with the Mini 9.6