how "modded" can you get?

FLIP · December 9th, 2006, 04:38

Hey everyone,

I do competitive shooting (IPSC) and I use a .38 super in Open division, so I have all the goodies on this gun, from compensator to magwell and a nice hollowpoint sight.

In order to keep up in training w/out having to go to the range all the time, I'd like to possibly purchase an AEG pistol and mod it as closely as possible to my current setup just to the point where it can fit in my speed holster. Do they make little stuff like add on compensators etc?

Which company makes the best for upgrading.

BC_K · December 9th, 2006, 05:16

Why not just use what ya got?

Greylocks · December 9th, 2006, 08:54

The recoil and ballistics will not even be close to the same. Buy more ammo and stick with the real gun. It will be far cheaper than investing in a GBB that may wind up far above $500.

FLIP · December 9th, 2006, 11:50

I can only go to the range when my father goes. Shooting 500rounds doesn't last as long as you think and its $$$ right there.

But yea, I did some looking around and they do have race guns, but at the price... might as well pickup something real.

DuffMan · December 9th, 2006, 13:06

The only thing it'll really come in handy with is improving your draw speed.

FLIP · December 10th, 2006, 04:15

Mainly need it for first shot off the draw to check accuracy.

ILLusion · December 10th, 2006, 04:42

Does this answer your question?

There are lots of companies who make various parts for the gun - many of them are different from one another. In the end, you're mostly going with just looks, since compensators don't make much of a difference (if at all) on a GBB. Same goes for hybrid slide/barrel setups like what I have on my gun. It all comes down to personal preference in the end.

Find the gun platform you want first, then go from there. The most customizable GBBs available would either be a Western Arms pistol or the Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa series.

Greylocks · December 10th, 2006, 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLIP

I can only go to the range when my father goes. Shooting 500rounds doesn't last as long as you think and its $$$ right there.

But yea, I did some looking around and they do have race guns, but at the price... might as well pickup something real.

FLIP, I am more than aware about real guns since I am probably near your father's age or older. I used to be the Chief Instructor at a range.
My advice still stands.

One thing raises a flag; if you do competitive IPSC with such a gun, why do you need your father to be present at all?

The Saint · December 10th, 2006, 12:07

I've heard of competitive shooters using GBBs for practice. The example I read about was someone from Japan who obviously couldn't practice with real firearms on a regular basis. So he'd shoot a GBB at home and arrive ahead of time at a foreign competition and acclimatize himself to real steel. Apparently he was quite good.

FLIP, what you're looking for is a Gas Blow Back pistol, not an Automatic Electric Gun.

Amazing KG3 · December 10th, 2006, 12:37

couldn't hurt, ive found GBB to increase accuracy. greylocks is right, ballistics and recoil aren't the same, but you can learn a lot about range saftey, and lining up your sights. I did because its a safer way to learn how to shoot, and build tendencies. You make it sound like money is not an issue, but actually getting to a range. IMO i think it is worth the investment in a GBB, its better than not shooting right?

Greylocks · December 10th, 2006, 20:40

You learn the handling, but since the active feedback (recoil, movement) is different you can start expecting results that should or would never exist.

This can be extremely detrimental in competitive shooting. There is a lot of details in competitions that just dont apply to airsoft.

I'll name a few that have an effect in one form or another; range, recoil, sound, being able to see the projectile fly away. Taget shooting (IPSC included) is not just technique, it is muscle-memory, breathing, learning to shoot between heartbeats, and extremely fine motor control.

If your training aide does not match what your real gun does, it's not good.

If the gun you shoot all the time was a competition .22, it would not matter so much. With centerfire, it does.

FLIP · December 12th, 2006, 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks

FLIP, I am more than aware about real guns since I am probably near your father's age or older. I used to be the Chief Instructor at a range.
My advice still stands.

One thing raises a flag; if you do competitive IPSC with such a gun, why do you need your father to be present at all?

I'm a junior, the firearm is not in my name so the only way to transport it to the range is with my father. I still go 5-6 times a month durring the season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint

I've heard of competitive shooters using GBBs for practice. The example I read about was someone from Japan who obviously couldn't practice with real firearms on a regular basis. So he'd shoot a GBB at home and arrive ahead of time at a foreign competition and acclimatize himself to real steel. Apparently he was quite good.

FLIP, what you're looking for is a Gas Blow Back pistol, not an Automatic Electric Gun.

I too heard that the guys from Asia use airsoft b/c they can't use the firearm. Then they go to the country a few months before and practice like everyday.

I know it's not the "same" with recoil and all, but the first shot counts and recoil only affects the next shot.

I have a video of a speedshoot of myself up on youtube. I'm not sure about the rules and regulations about posting 'realsteal' stuff on this airsoft forum, but I'd like to share some of the vids for anyone whos interested. Airsoft is not meant to replace the real thing.... I love recoil :-)

YouTube - IPSC event
*Remove if it's not acceptable

Greylocks · December 12th, 2006, 07:37

Incorrect. The muscle memory associated with the recoil affects every shot. That WILL affect your shooting and accuracy.

Please, you admit you are new at this while I've been doing this for an insane long time. Ask around the range to find out what ISU Master grade means. That is my qualification level.

With a .45, my level is 95% plus. That means 95 rounds in the 10 and 5 in the 9 rings... all the time. It's not a wimpy gun.

Competitive shooting has a learning curve and very clear, proven, methods of training. Dont try to take shortcuts. There's a reason why shooting is an Olympic sport and IPSC shooters look like they are pulling miracles. They learned the right way.

Airsoft can teach you handling, and aiming, but that's about it. It wont teach you trigger control, recoil management, proper follow-up, and so on. Those things are essential to shoot real guns well.

I know it sounds trite, but this is now close to 28 years of active experience talking to you. In that game, experience does count. Ok? Up to you now.

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December 9th, 2006, 04:38	#1
FLIP Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: West Island of Montreal	how "modded" can you get? Hey everyone, I do competitive shooting (IPSC) and I use a .38 super in Open division, so I have all the goodies on this gun, from compensator to magwell and a nice hollowpoint sight. In order to keep up in training w/out having to go to the range all the time, I'd like to possibly purchase an AEG pistol and mod it as closely as possible to my current setup just to the point where it can fit in my speed holster. Do they make little stuff like add on compensators etc? Which company makes the best for upgrading.

December 9th, 2006, 13:06	#5
DuffMan Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2004	The only thing it'll really come in handy with is improving your draw speed. __________________ "He resisted. I asked him to comply." "Telling him to 'eat it, bitch' is not really a request."

December 10th, 2006, 04:42	#7
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Does this answer your question? There are lots of companies who make various parts for the gun - many of them are different from one another. In the end, you're mostly going with just looks, since compensators don't make much of a difference (if at all) on a GBB. Same goes for hybrid slide/barrel setups like what I have on my gun. It all comes down to personal preference in the end. Find the gun platform you want first, then go from there. The most customizable GBBs available would either be a Western Arms pistol or the Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa series. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed Last edited by ILLusion; December 10th, 2006 at 16:08..

December 9th, 2006, 05:16	#2
BC_K Banned Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2004	Why not just use what ya got?

December 9th, 2006, 08:54	#3
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	The recoil and ballistics will not even be close to the same. Buy more ammo and stick with the real gun. It will be far cheaper than investing in a GBB that may wind up far above $500.

December 9th, 2006, 11:50	#4
FLIP Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: West Island of Montreal	I can only go to the range when my father goes. Shooting 500rounds doesn't last as long as you think and its $$$ right there. But yea, I did some looking around and they do have race guns, but at the price... might as well pickup something real.

December 10th, 2006, 04:15	#6
FLIP Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: West Island of Montreal	Mainly need it for first shot off the draw to check accuracy.

December 10th, 2006, 12:07	#9
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	I've heard of competitive shooters using GBBs for practice. The example I read about was someone from Japan who obviously couldn't practice with real firearms on a regular basis. So he'd shoot a GBB at home and arrive ahead of time at a foreign competition and acclimatize himself to real steel. Apparently he was quite good. FLIP, what you're looking for is a Gas Blow Back pistol, not an Automatic Electric Gun. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

December 10th, 2006, 12:37	#10
Amazing KG3 Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Calgary, AB	couldn't hurt, ive found GBB to increase accuracy. greylocks is right, ballistics and recoil aren't the same, but you can learn a lot about range saftey, and lining up your sights. I did because its a safer way to learn how to shoot, and build tendencies. You make it sound like money is not an issue, but actually getting to a range. IMO i think it is worth the investment in a GBB, its better than not shooting right?

December 10th, 2006, 20:40	#11
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	You learn the handling, but since the active feedback (recoil, movement) is different you can start expecting results that should or would never exist. This can be extremely detrimental in competitive shooting. There is a lot of details in competitions that just dont apply to airsoft. I'll name a few that have an effect in one form or another; range, recoil, sound, being able to see the projectile fly away. Taget shooting (IPSC included) is not just technique, it is muscle-memory, breathing, learning to shoot between heartbeats, and extremely fine motor control. If your training aide does not match what your real gun does, it's not good. If the gun you shoot all the time was a competition .22, it would not matter so much. With centerfire, it does.

December 12th, 2006, 07:37	#13
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Incorrect. The muscle memory associated with the recoil affects every shot. That WILL affect your shooting and accuracy. Please, you admit you are new at this while I've been doing this for an insane long time. Ask around the range to find out what ISU Master grade means. That is my qualification level. With a .45, my level is 95% plus. That means 95 rounds in the 10 and 5 in the 9 rings... all the time. It's not a wimpy gun. Competitive shooting has a learning curve and very clear, proven, methods of training. Dont try to take shortcuts. There's a reason why shooting is an Olympic sport and IPSC shooters look like they are pulling miracles. They learned the right way. Airsoft can teach you handling, and aiming, but that's about it. It wont teach you trigger control, recoil management, proper follow-up, and so on. Those things are essential to shoot real guns well. I know it sounds trite, but this is now close to 28 years of active experience talking to you. In that game, experience does count. Ok? Up to you now.

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