Anyone have any idea how strong airsoft springs are?

m27 · July 13th, 2006, 21:24

I'm curious as to how strong these springs are.

I'm trying to use a solenoid that could pull back an airsoft spring (or rather, the piston on the end of the spring). Of course, first I need to know how much force I need to compress the spring (probably more than my solenoid can deliver

).

Tankdude · July 13th, 2006, 21:49

I wanted to know this as well.

So here is a hint. Take a one joule spring. It delivers one joule of energy. Work= force times distance.

Have fun.

ILLusion · July 13th, 2006, 22:25

Well... which spring in particular are you referring to? There are several dozen springs available, probably up to 100 different springs available if not more. Different aftermarket companies make different rated springs for different applications and upgrades.

Unless you're referring to a bone stock Tokyo Marui gun.

m27 · July 13th, 2006, 22:29

how long are the springs when compressed and when decompressed?

BloodSport · July 13th, 2006, 22:41

Once again which gun are you refering to.

pugs144 · July 13th, 2006, 22:45

42.

m27 · July 13th, 2006, 22:57

Standard TM AEG I suppose.
M16A2 if you really need a specific one.

mujahadeen · July 13th, 2006, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144

42.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

MadMax · July 14th, 2006, 00:00

you probably can't find a solenoid with enough force and travel to cock an AEG spring. They travel about 5cm with a fair bit of force. I don't really see you doing it without connecting to household mains with a big transformer and DC rectifier.

BloodSport · July 14th, 2006, 01:13

Just what exactely are you trying to do?

I'm smelling something fishy, and it aint Illusion.....

m27 · July 14th, 2006, 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseowl

Just what exactely are you trying to do?

I'm smelling something fishy, and it aint Illusion.....

trying to take the motor and gears out of the equation

might need a stronger power supply but in the absence of a motor and gears, there's a lot of extra space

ancorp · July 14th, 2006, 02:20

I think thats a great idea! The only "airgun" that Ive heard of using a solenoid, is the Drozd select fire BB gun, but the solenoid only serves as a full auto hammer.

Hell even a mini powered by a solenoid would be interesting (under 200fps with .12g bbs), and I would love to have one, as if built with the right materials, it should be MUCH more durable than the crap the usual minis are made from...

Keep working on it, and let us know how it goes!

Cheers!
Alex

m27 · July 14th, 2006, 05:17

Staggered solenoids would help cover the distance

Tankdude · July 15th, 2006, 19:01

Read Madmax's post again.
Go to mcmaster.com and look up some linear solenoids. Nice and small eh? No, they are big.

Your approach to the problem is very much like how an engineer would go about it, but you need to go further. Here is a question, you want to replace the motor and gears with a solenoid, why not replace it all with a solenoid? Instead of the spring use a solenoid to push the air.

List your design criteria and what exactly you hope to do and we can help you further.

PTE. Pyle · July 16th, 2006, 14:35

if you had a solenoid you would not need the spring just use a connecting rod directly to the piston solenoid. if you used a solenoid to compress the spring you would have to engineer some sort of sear to release the spring, there is no way that a solenoid would be able to keep a spring tensioned for any amount of time with out draining your battery in about 10 seconds. also I may be wrong but I don’t believe you would be able to make the gun full auto it could possibly work in a sniper rifle.

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July 13th, 2006, 21:24	#1
m27 Banned Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver	Anyone have any idea how strong airsoft springs are? I'm curious as to how strong these springs are. I'm trying to use a solenoid that could pull back an airsoft spring (or rather, the piston on the end of the spring). Of course, first I need to know how much force I need to compress the spring (probably more than my solenoid can deliver ).

July 13th, 2006, 22:25	#3
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Well... which spring in particular are you referring to? There are several dozen springs available, probably up to 100 different springs available if not more. Different aftermarket companies make different rated springs for different applications and upgrades. Unless you're referring to a bone stock Tokyo Marui gun. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

July 13th, 2006, 22:41	#5
BloodSport Traveling Man Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan	Once again which gun are you refering to. __________________ Saskatchewan Age Verifier! Contact for more Info.

July 13th, 2006, 21:49	#2
Tankdude Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Coast, New Brunswick	I wanted to know this as well. So here is a hint. Take a one joule spring. It delivers one joule of energy. Work= force times distance. Have fun.

July 13th, 2006, 22:29	#4
m27 Banned Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver	how long are the springs when compressed and when decompressed?

July 13th, 2006, 22:45	#6
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	42.

July 13th, 2006, 22:57	#7
m27 Banned Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver	Standard TM AEG I suppose. M16A2 if you really need a specific one.

July 14th, 2006, 00:00	#9
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	you probably can't find a solenoid with enough force and travel to cock an AEG spring. They travel about 5cm with a fair bit of force. I don't really see you doing it without connecting to household mains with a big transformer and DC rectifier. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

July 14th, 2006, 01:13	#10
BloodSport Traveling Man Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan	Just what exactely are you trying to do? I'm smelling something fishy, and it aint Illusion..... __________________ Saskatchewan Age Verifier! Contact for more Info.

July 14th, 2006, 02:20	#12
ancorp AK Guru Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vaughan, Ontario (near Toronto)	I think thats a great idea! The only "airgun" that Ive heard of using a solenoid, is the Drozd select fire BB gun, but the solenoid only serves as a full auto hammer. Hell even a mini powered by a solenoid would be interesting (under 200fps with .12g bbs), and I would love to have one, as if built with the right materials, it should be MUCH more durable than the crap the usual minis are made from... Keep working on it, and let us know how it goes! Cheers! Alex

July 14th, 2006, 05:17	#13
m27 Banned Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver	Staggered solenoids would help cover the distance

July 15th, 2006, 19:01	#14
Tankdude Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Coast, New Brunswick	Read Madmax's post again. Go to mcmaster.com and look up some linear solenoids. Nice and small eh? No, they are big. Your approach to the problem is very much like how an engineer would go about it, but you need to go further. Here is a question, you want to replace the motor and gears with a solenoid, why not replace it all with a solenoid? Instead of the spring use a solenoid to push the air. List your design criteria and what exactly you hope to do and we can help you further.

July 16th, 2006, 14:35	#15
PTE. Pyle Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: delta B.C.	if you had a solenoid you would not need the spring just use a connecting rod directly to the piston solenoid. if you used a solenoid to compress the spring you would have to engineer some sort of sear to release the spring, there is no way that a solenoid would be able to keep a spring tensioned for any amount of time with out draining your battery in about 10 seconds. also I may be wrong but I don’t believe you would be able to make the gun full auto it could possibly work in a sniper rifle. __________________ To live is to Die

Anyone have any idea how strong airsoft springs are?

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