60+ rps build

[lurkingknight]

why would you want 60rps? What would you possibly need it for?

The cycle completion at 30-40rps with the trigger response is already near instantaneous, which is what 99% of people want out of a build like that.

60rps would mean dsg with a frankentorque motor on possibly 14.8v lipos, not may mags will feed well above 50. 370-400 fps would mean a massive spring like a 150-160, good luck trying to assemble that gearbox. Also because of the shortened stroke, you'll be limited to barrels under a certain length, in fact, with dsgs, shorter is generally better, like 247-300mm in that area. Computerized mosfets don't UP your rate of fire, they turn it down so you aren't an asshat.

The way you're going about this is ridiculous. You want something you don't want to do the research for and just want to wow people with? The fact that you're willing to throw your money around for a ***** enlargement?

Most cqb won't allow full auto anyways, so it comes back to a question of trigger response. You want the gun to react quickly so you can uncover, shoot and cover again without sitting there with your pants down waiting for the shot to go off because of the cycle speed.

60rps is excessive, high maintenance, high cost/little return, and all it will do is piss players off that you hose down with it, especially with full auto.

If you had approached me with this kind of request with this level of understanding of what you wanted, I'd turn you away and tell the rest of the techs in my area about you. lol. That kind of carelessness is what can get people hurt and make me look bad for handing a build like this to someone as irresponsible as that.

[ComaSkillz]

Originally Posted by RainyEyes

I second this lol. Money isn't an issue get a p*

P* is too expensive to upkeep. Plus I don't have that type of money to buy a p*

[lurkingknight]

lol. a well build DSG is higher maintenance and upkeep than a p*.

[pestobanana]

You stated in your original post that you don't want to do research and you are looking for some spoon feeding.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're doing, it doesn't matter how good your parts are or how good my instructions are, you're going to destroy your internals as well as waste your own time and money. Do you really want to waste 150 USD on a gear set alone? Siegeteks are indestructible if installed correctly. If you install them incorrectly, they will strip eventually, and quite quickly if you attempt to do a 60 RPS build and you don't know what you're doing.

Anything above 35 RPS is prone to failure if not assembled and tuned properly. Under that, don't be an idiot and it will probably still work, although very poorly.

I've done a 60 RPS 380 FPS build. It caused severe motor heat, and drew 35A constant. It also did its toll on the motor's commutator and brushes, I had to replace the brushes and turn the commutator on a lathe. I also had to modify the tappet plate, short stroke, modify the tappet plate spring... In order for it to feed, I had to make my own magazine followers, and even then I had to use 0.2g BBs. Anything heavier and the magazine could not load them in time.

If you are simply looking to get a wow factor from people at the field, 30-40 RPS is sufficient, and can be done with much cheaper parts. I build these things all the time, but when I see people trying to copy my builds at local fields, they often sound like shit, strip pinions, strip pistons, don't feed properly etc.

TLDR: Don't try this yourself, you have absolutely no idea what you're doing.

[ComaSkillz]

Originally Posted by lurkingknight

why would you want 60rps? What would you possibly need it for?

The cycle completion at 30-40rps with the trigger response is already near instantaneous, which is what 99% of people want out of a build like that.

60rps would mean dsg with a frankentorque motor on possibly 14.8v lipos, not may mags will feed well above 50. 370-400 fps would mean a massive spring like a 150-160, good luck trying to assemble that gearbox. Also because of the shortened stroke, you'll be limited to barrels under a certain length, in fact, with dsgs, shorter is generally better, like 247-300mm in that area. Computerized mosfets don't UP your rate of fire, they turn it down so you aren't an asshat.

The way you're going about this is ridiculous. You want something you don't want to do the research for and just want to wow people with? The fact that you're willing to throw your money around for a ***** enlargement?

Most cqb won't allow full auto anyways, so it comes back to a question of trigger response. You want the gun to react quickly so you can uncover, shoot and cover again without sitting there with your pants down waiting for the shot to go off because of the cycle speed.

60rps is excessive, high maintenance, high cost/little return, and all it will do is piss players off that you hose down with it, especially with full auto.

If you had approached me with this kind of request with this level of understanding of what you wanted, I'd turn you away and tell the rest of the techs in my area about you. lol. That kind of carelessness is what can get people hurt and make me look bad for handing a build like this to someone as irresponsible as that.

Thank you for your consideration but honestly all I asked for was a build. I didn't know you played at my feild and knew the restrictions and what not. I agree that 60 rps is a little high. Thats why I changed my mind to around 30-40 but I'm assuming you didn't read the earlier comments. I'm not the type of person to go around and light up people for the fun of it, But I can understand why you would think that. I know what a computerised mosfet does and I know it doesn't make your rps go up I just thought id get help from some professionals but I guess I'll have to figure out for my self and experiment. Thanks for you help though!

[M0rphine117]

Originally Posted by ComaSkillz

You sir have a great point. But I play all CQB so, I'm just looking to really wow some people with high rps. I know they make a mosfet where you can control your rps? But it's too expensive for me.

I'm confused...your first post said money isn't an issue...

[ComaSkillz]

Originally Posted by pestobanana

You stated in your original post that you don't want to do research and you are looking for some spoon feeding.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're doing, it doesn't matter how good your parts are or how good my instructions are, you're going to destroy your internals as well as waste your own time and money. Do you really want to waste 150 USD on a gear set alone? Siegeteks are indestructible if installed correctly. If you install them incorrectly, they will strip eventually, and quite quickly if you attempt to do a 60 RPS build and you don't know what you're doing.

Anything above 35 RPS is prone to failure if not assembled and tuned properly. Under that, don't be an idiot and it will probably still work, although very poorly.

I've done a 60 RPS 380 FPS build. It caused severe motor heat, and drew 35A constant. It also did its toll on the motor's commutator and brushes, I had to replace the brushes and turn the commutator on a lathe. I also had to modify the tappet plate, short stroke, modify the tappet plate spring... In order for it to feed, I had to make my own magazine followers, and even then I had to use 0.2g BBs. Anything heavier and the magazine could not load them in time.

If you are simply looking to get a wow factor from people at the field, 30-40 RPS is sufficient, and can be done with much cheaper parts. I build these things all the time, but when I see people trying to copy my builds at local fields, they often sound like shit, strip pinions, strip pistons, don't feed properly etc.

TLDR: Don't try this yourself, you have absolutely no idea what you're doing.

Yeah. 60 rps is insane now that I think about it. 30-40 will do for me. I wouldn't do this myself. My local field techs are willing to help me install and what not. I just need to buy the peices for them to put together. I do know what I'm doing, just not as much as pro. I have done hours upon hours of research and think that it would be easier for someone to "spoon feed" me.

[ComaSkillz]

Originally Posted by M0rphine117

I'm confused...your first post said money isn't an issue...

Don't worry about it. I'm not buying a p*. Simple as that.

[RainyEyes]

Originally Posted by ComaSkillz

Thank you for your consideration but honestly all I asked for was a build. I didn't know you played at my feild and knew the restrictions and what not. I agree that 60 rps is a little high. Thats why I changed my mind to around 30-40 but I'm assuming you didn't read the earlier comments. I'm not the type of person to go around and light up people for the fun of it, But I can understand why you would think that. I know what a computerised mosfet does and I know it doesn't make your rps go up I just thought id get help from some professionals but I guess I'll have to figure out for my self and experiment. Thanks for you help though!

What people are telling you is that it's not just about the build. It's not simply a drop in parts project there are metrics and technical skills required that only a handful of people who are good with their hands are capable of which should not be attempted by novices.

Polar stars are $900+ but will last you 3+ years on CO2 and free refills at paintball fields or if you have an air compressor. The upkeep is considerably less than an AEG when it is prone to parts breaking and replacing especially for v2 gearboxes.

[Hectic]

It'll cost about the same to build a 40+rps gearbox as buy a p* and way less downtime and upkeep/repair costs from shit breaking every bag of bb's or so lol yer best bet is guy some 13:1 ish gears a lonex piston piston head and a cylender head a mosfet and a motor and good battery. After that grab some gear grease and shims and have at it. You may be able to go without the fet and motor and see how it runs to save some money but may as well build it right. That'll run you 30bbsps ish and cost about 250 bucks in parts give or take. Main factor will be motor and gear selection. Shs for 35 bucks or sigtek for like 100. JG motor for like 40 bucks or a lonex or Tienley for more etc..

[ComaSkillz]

Originally Posted by RainyEyes

What people are telling you is that it's not just about the build. It's not simply a drop in parts project there are metrics and technical skills required that only a handful of people who are good with their hands are capable of which should not be attempted by novices.

Polar stars are $900+ but will last you 3+ years on CO2 and free refills at paintball fields or if you have an air compressor. The upkeep is considerably less than an AEG when it is prone to parts breaking and replacing especially for v2 gearboxes.

So what should I do? Do alot of research?

[ComaSkillz]

Originally Posted by Hectic

It'll cost about the same to build a 40+rps gearbox as buy a p* and way less downtime and upkeep/repair costs from shit breaking every bag of bb's or so lol yer best bet is guy some 13:1 ish gears a lonex piston piston head and a cylender head a mosfet and a motor and good battery. After that grab some gear grease and shims and have at it. You may be able to go without the fet and motor and see how it runs to save some money but may as well build it right. That'll run you 30bbsps ish and cost about 250 bucks in parts give or take. Main factor will be motor and gear selection. Shs for 35 bucks or sigtek for like 100. JG motor for like 40 bucks or a lonex or Tienley for more etc..

Thanks! Is there anyway I can get above 30ish rps with another upgrade or not possible for ME?

[Hectic]

Simply put not really. Either dual sector gear or lower fps. If you shoot for the 300-400 fps range you can likely push closer to 40 with the same setup just a softer spring and a speed motor not torque.

[ComaSkillz]

Originally Posted by Hectic

Simply put not really. Either dual sector gear or lower fps. If you shoot for the 300-400 fps range you can likely push closer to 40 with the same setup just a softer spring and a speed motor not torque.

Okay. What about high torque and speed?

[pestobanana]

Hectic, I appreciate that you want to be helpful, but this topic exceeds your area of knowledge and you're not supplying useful or correct information.

You do not need a DSG. DSG is dumb, inefficient, and is not any faster than SSG until you start using a 14.8V battery.

If all you want is 30 RPS, any moron can get 30 RPS. Install a MOSFET, throw in a SHS high torque motor, use a 11.1V battery. Any idiot can do this.

I build 35-40 RPS guns for clients on a weekly basis, but this is when things stop being a drop in thing that any moron can do. You start having feeding issues, FPS consistency issues, and you need to have the technical know-how to prevent these issues, which you obviously don't. A FET is obviously required, the cheapest way to achieve that RoF goal is to use SHS 12:1 gears and SHS high torque motor. Alternatively you can use Siegetek 10:1 gears and a Tienly 30k motor if you have money to burn. These are only the main drivetrain components, and there are a ton of supporting components and modifications required.