Celcius CTW: Systema PTW clone

dontask · April 9th, 2008, 23:49

Just ran into some intresting news on Arnies:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArniesAirsoft

Di pertengahan tahun 2008 ini CELCIUS akan meluncurkan CTW M4A1 - Advanced System. AEG buatan Hong Kong dengan FPS tinggi ini ditujukan untuk military training. Ukuran dan detil CTW juga sesuai dengan M4 yang asli. Body AEG sejenis Marui lebih tebal dari M4 yang asli karena harus diisi gearbox. System gearbox CTW lebih tipis, disesuaikan persis seperti M4 asli, dan compatible dengan Systema PTW, beda dengan gearbox pada umumnya. Dan kekuatan gearbox CTW tidak perlu diragukan lagi.

Bagi para penggemar airsoft tidak perlu kuatir akan FPS yang tinggi, karena CELCIUS juga menyediakan versi Civilian dengan FPS 350-550 mengunakan BB 0,20g. Dan hanya dengan mengganti tabung cylinder, pemakai bisa menaik-turunkan FPS hanya dalam waktu kurang dari 10 detik. Jadi untuk permainan yang aman bisa disesuaikan dengan standard FPS club masing masing, dan dapat menyesuaikan medan war game di berbagai macam situasi.

Translation:

This mid 2008 celcius will be releasing the CTW M4A1 - Advanced System. Mede in Hong Kong, this high fps aeg is designed for military training. Size and detail matches the real M4. Marui type aeg's have thicker bodies to accommodate the gearbox. CTW gearbox is thinner and matches the size of a real M4, with parts compatible with a Systema PTW.

For airsoft players, dont need to worry, because celcius will be providing a Civillian version with 350-550 fps using 0,20 bb's. just by changing the cylinder, users can change their fps in less than 10 seconds. So for safe gaming it can be adjusted to each clubs rule.

Pics:

The poster also says that the price will be less than Rp 5.000.000,- IDR which is about $500 USD

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...owtopic=140844

Discuss!

Bob the Angry Potato · April 9th, 2008, 23:51

Getting, pending reviews.
This is gonna be seriously awesome if it turns out to be wicked, it's already available in Indonesia according to Arnies.

ShaWdowS · April 9th, 2008, 23:51

Unbelievable... It'll never be a PTW though IMO.

Plus it's such a blatant rip-off OF the PTW.

Looks amazing still

The Saint · April 9th, 2008, 23:52

Some people think it might just be a bunch of vapourwear though.

TokyoSeven · April 9th, 2008, 23:55

Hmmm, an asian clone? I dont know what to think about that. Well I do, but I dont think I want to say anything about it just yet. This needs some thought.

kullwarrior · April 9th, 2008, 23:58

already discussed deeply in ptw forum, price seems wrong from most feedback (too cheap to be true)
Also it didn't mention about realistic weight or material which this part they can cheap out on.

TokyoSeven · April 10th, 2008, 00:06

Can and most likely will.

HaZarD SFD · April 10th, 2008, 00:08

Yeah but would be sweet if we could drop in a PTW mechbox

ILLusion · April 10th, 2008, 00:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaZarD SFD

Yeah but would be sweet if we could drop in a PTW mechbox

Which asks the question: if you're going to do that, why not just get a Systema PTW to begin with?

mcguyver · April 10th, 2008, 00:22

A PTW is not just a "drop in a gearbox and go" sort of gun. There is a certain amount of precision required to ensure part "A" meets up with part "B" which meets up with part "C" sort-of-thing. If they cheap out on QC, you will never get the gun to work.

There is an alternative apparently in the works, but it won't be a cheap China clone. Instead, it will be a CNCd clone.

TokyoSeven · April 10th, 2008, 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver

A PTW is not just a "drop in a gearbox and go" sort of gun. There is a certain amount of precision required to ensure part "A" meets up with part "B" which meets up with part "C" sort-of-thing. When they cheap out on QC, you will never get the gun to work.

Fixed

stokes · April 10th, 2008, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver

There is an alternative apparently in the works, but it won't be a cheap China clone. Instead, it will be a CNCd clone.

Damn brad? Who's making the CNC clone? Any news on that?

Lakonian · April 10th, 2008, 00:30

Fock that. Seriously.

Always AFTER the purchase. God damnit.

mcguyver · April 10th, 2008, 00:35

http://www.systema-europe.com/Forum/...ID=21453#21453

GrieverX · April 10th, 2008, 00:47

For some reason, since the ESTIMATED price is about $500USD, I'd assume after the usual patented Canadian price-gouging that it will be around $1100 to $1200, at which point if you seriously want to appreciate the technology, you may as well save up a bit more and get the REAL deal PTW which is tried and proven.

If a clone of a normal aeg CAN cause a lot of headaches, think about the possible things that can go wrong with a clone PTW where parts would be even scarcer and less available to find.

Of course, I'll reserve my final judgment when the product gets more critical reviews in the rest of the airsofting world.

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April 9th, 2008, 23:51	#3
ShaWdowS Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scarborough, Toronto, Ontario	Unbelievable... It'll never be a PTW though IMO. Plus it's such a blatant rip-off OF the PTW. Looks amazing still __________________ " Deeds, not words. "

April 9th, 2008, 23:52	#4
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	Some people think it might just be a bunch of vapourwear though. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

April 9th, 2008, 23:55	#5
TokyoSeven Red Wine & Adderall Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Hmmm, an asian clone? I dont know what to think about that. Well I do, but I dont think I want to say anything about it just yet. This needs some thought. __________________ "Its only a little bit on fire"

April 9th, 2008, 23:51	#2
Bob the Angry Potato *AV Status Suspended pending trade resolution* Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: A pile of empty boxes and broken dreams.	Getting, pending reviews. This is gonna be seriously awesome if it turns out to be wicked, it's already available in Indonesia according to Arnies. __________________ Age verifier- Halifax region Last edited by Bob the Angry Potato; April 9th, 2008 at 23:56..

April 9th, 2008, 23:58	#6
kullwarrior Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	already discussed deeply in ptw forum, price seems wrong from most feedback (too cheap to be true) Also it didn't mention about realistic weight or material which this part they can cheap out on. __________________

April 10th, 2008, 00:06	#7
TokyoSeven Red Wine & Adderall Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Can and most likely will. __________________ "Its only a little bit on fire"

April 10th, 2008, 00:08	#8
HaZarD SFD Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ottawa	Yeah but would be sweet if we could drop in a PTW mechbox __________________ No Comment.

April 10th, 2008, 00:22	#10
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	A PTW is not just a "drop in a gearbox and go" sort of gun. There is a certain amount of precision required to ensure part "A" meets up with part "B" which meets up with part "C" sort-of-thing. If they cheap out on QC, you will never get the gun to work. There is an alternative apparently in the works, but it won't be a cheap China clone. Instead, it will be a CNCd clone. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

April 10th, 2008, 00:30	#13
Lakonian kos Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wherever.	Fock that. Seriously. Always AFTER the purchase. God damnit.

April 10th, 2008, 00:35	#14
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	http://www.systema-europe.com/Forum/...ID=21453#21453 __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

April 10th, 2008, 00:47	#15
GrieverX Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Coquitlam, "Beautiful" British Columbia	For some reason, since the ESTIMATED price is about $500USD, I'd assume after the usual patented Canadian price-gouging that it will be around $1100 to $1200, at which point if you seriously want to appreciate the technology, you may as well save up a bit more and get the REAL deal PTW which is tried and proven. If a clone of a normal aeg CAN cause a lot of headaches, think about the possible things that can go wrong with a clone PTW where parts would be even scarcer and less available to find. Of course, I'll reserve my final judgment when the product gets more critical reviews in the rest of the airsofting world.

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