Clearsoft GBBR's are here

Kimbo · September 27th, 2009, 03:15

The rumours are true I guess, they are here.

YouTube - M4 GBBR by KJ Works / Tanio Koba

If they work as good as the G&G AEG clearsoft guns, they should be pretty good. Nice to see some more options coming down the pipe.

ujiro · September 27th, 2009, 03:32

MSRP under $500CAD, including 2 magazines. Not a bad price at all. However I've not heard anything about the KJW/TK M4 GBB yet. So we'll have to see. I'd rather get one of the WE SCAR GBBRs with the clear body

Con Murder · September 27th, 2009, 03:57

DUDE!!!! More for the canadian market!!! This has to be exciting, all this attention from companies only means good things for the market we live on!!! Ya, ya now comes the hate on clear lowers but lets deal with the government after we stop green house gasses okay?

pusangani · September 27th, 2009, 04:00

KJW actually has experience making GBB's so these should be good

kullwarrior · September 27th, 2009, 04:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani

KJW actually has experience making GBB's so these should be good

LOL this gun has problem found if you look at arnies its about 1/2 as much as the WA with 0 third party support.
I'd stick to my plan -Prime/RA-Tech M4 aka Magna M4 build from scratch

If I have enough $$ I might see how it fairs against Magna.

Oh and KJW m4 shoots wayyy too hot if I remember right numbers are 450fps for a M733 barrel (yes it doesnt go full way) RA-Tech (biggest third party GBBR support) is not planning any support for this they're sticking to WA, GHK AK and now beginning WE.

Just being the devil's advocate let me give you the cons:
*Plastic Receiver can crack in winter if CO2 mag does make it to market, it is also more suspectible to abuse
*fps, you're gonna need to get like a CQBR or length to get fps down, as its the only way right now
*Support/ Market. I could understand why KJW do this, KJW GBBR is like the least popular compared to WE and Magna type (its the last one out I admit, but scar seems more popular even though it release later than KJW/ TK)
*Replacement Parts: no matter which system of GBBR something will give up after round count, WA - pick your favorite manufacture, WE -bug WETTI they will support ya (I wish WA is like that)

In my money spending I would perfer a WE SCAR, why? because WE has the most aggressive plans for other replica system. They've unveiled hk416, KAC PDW, began other numerous one, but mostly revovles around the use of STANAG which is the biggest plus.

pusangani · September 27th, 2009, 04:29

wow, you did your homework, I'll take that back then, at least until I hear some reviews from people on ASC

sortie39 · September 27th, 2009, 04:44

looks cul!!cant wait to get one if it was an L85A1....LOL~

aZn_triXta07 · September 27th, 2009, 08:46

Only because CAS has exclusive rights with KJW ...thanks Ken

FYI from what I heard about the Tanio Koba C8 Canadian from Japan they were overpriced and only for collectors, but who knows now that it's been mass produced.

Rookie Ab · September 27th, 2009, 09:17

Hope this link works,

YouTube - M4 Tanio Koba / KJ WORKS GBB - FULL AUTO NO MERCY TEST

90 odd rounds full auto ,no cool down .

AngelusNex · September 27th, 2009, 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kody_1

Hope this link works,

YouTube - M4 Tanio Koba / KJ WORKS GBB - FULL AUTO NO MERCY TEST

90 odd rounds full auto ,no cool down .

That is actually impressive for a gas gun.

I am so going to get myself one of these. (prob will never game it though lol.)

chronic · September 27th, 2009, 09:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelusNex

That is actually impressive for a gas gun.

I am so going to get myself one of these. (prob will never game it though lol.)

+1. I will probably wait for the second batch though. Anyone have an ETA?

L473ncy · September 27th, 2009, 10:12

I heard ETA is around November.

Donster · September 27th, 2009, 10:53

im a litte confused. what exactly is cool down? i thought i knew, but now im not too sure.

L473ncy · September 27th, 2009, 11:01

From what I understand it's exactly like what it sounds like.

Due to the gas in the mag expanding it "cools down" (simple high school physics, compressed gas gets heated up, and when it expands it cools down) and results in a lower FPS. Only way to stop it is to keep the mag at a constant temperature (or at least try to) and shoot in single shot.

If you notice when using those mini green Coleman propane tanks if you go camping they feel cold after you've been using it for a while to cook food (sometimes it gets so cold as to form "ice"). Reason is the liquid propane is expanding into gas and getting fed into your propane stove so that you can light it on fire and cook your food.

I don't think that video demonstrates cool down at all. Now if you were to chrono before and after and there was little difference then I could see that there is no/little cood down but that video just shows a stress test.

Donster · September 27th, 2009, 11:13

im a little confused on one point.

If you have liquid propane, and it turns to gas. doesn't that mean its technically heating up? as you have to cool it down to make it into a liquid (i.e.: LIQUID nitrogen is colder than nitrogen gas). but i understand the point. essentially, the propane, through constant firing will lower the temperature of the internals of the gun, causing lower FPS etc. Thanks

And the gun being used, i take it was the all black version of the gun Ken is advertising correct?

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September 27th, 2009, 03:15	#1
Kimbo formerly pivot Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Calgary	Clearsoft GBBR's are here The rumours are true I guess, they are here. YouTube - M4 GBBR by KJ Works / Tanio Koba If they work as good as the G&G AEG clearsoft guns, they should be pretty good. Nice to see some more options coming down the pipe.

September 27th, 2009, 03:32	#2
ujiro Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burlington, ON	MSRP under $500CAD, including 2 magazines. Not a bad price at all. However I've not heard anything about the KJW/TK M4 GBB yet. So we'll have to see. I'd rather get one of the WE SCAR GBBRs with the clear body __________________ I love freedom and consequently America

September 27th, 2009, 03:57	#3
Con Murder Trader rating Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lethbridge Alberta Canada	DUDE!!!! More for the canadian market!!! This has to be exciting, all this attention from companies only means good things for the market we live on!!! Ya, ya now comes the hate on clear lowers but lets deal with the government after we stop green house gasses okay? __________________ Con Murder Dark Rhino L.A. Airsoft

September 27th, 2009, 04:00	#4
pusangani Official ASC "Dumb Ass" Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scarbrah, Ontario	KJW actually has experience making GBB's so these should be good __________________

September 27th, 2009, 04:29	#6
pusangani Official ASC "Dumb Ass" Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scarbrah, Ontario	wow, you did your homework, I'll take that back then, at least until I hear some reviews from people on ASC __________________

September 27th, 2009, 04:44	#7
sortie39 Banned Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Calgary AB	looks cul!!cant wait to get one if it was an L85A1....LOL~

September 27th, 2009, 08:46	#8
aZn_triXta07 Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario	Only because CAS has exclusive rights with KJW ...thanks Ken FYI from what I heard about the Tanio Koba C8 Canadian from Japan they were overpriced and only for collectors, but who knows now that it's been mass produced.

September 27th, 2009, 09:17	#9
Rookie Ab a.k.a. Kody_1 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 51° 2′ 42″ N, 114° 3′ 26″ W	Hope this link works, YouTube - M4 Tanio Koba / KJ WORKS GBB - FULL AUTO NO MERCY TEST 90 odd rounds full auto ,no cool down . __________________ AKA : Rookie, on a few other boards.

September 27th, 2009, 10:12	#12
L473ncy Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 11-30-24-1W5	I heard ETA is around November. __________________ ಠ_ಠLess QQ more Pew Pew READY TO >> RACE

September 27th, 2009, 10:53	#13
Donster Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: GTA	im a litte confused. what exactly is cool down? i thought i knew, but now im not too sure.

September 27th, 2009, 11:01	#14
L473ncy Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 11-30-24-1W5	From what I understand it's exactly like what it sounds like. Due to the gas in the mag expanding it "cools down" (simple high school physics, compressed gas gets heated up, and when it expands it cools down) and results in a lower FPS. Only way to stop it is to keep the mag at a constant temperature (or at least try to) and shoot in single shot. If you notice when using those mini green Coleman propane tanks if you go camping they feel cold after you've been using it for a while to cook food (sometimes it gets so cold as to form "ice"). Reason is the liquid propane is expanding into gas and getting fed into your propane stove so that you can light it on fire and cook your food. I don't think that video demonstrates cool down at all. Now if you were to chrono before and after and there was little difference then I could see that there is no/little cood down but that video just shows a stress test. __________________ ಠ_ಠLess QQ more Pew Pew READY TO >> RACE

September 27th, 2009, 11:13	#15
Donster Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: GTA	im a little confused on one point. If you have liquid propane, and it turns to gas. doesn't that mean its technically heating up? as you have to cool it down to make it into a liquid (i.e.: LIQUID nitrogen is colder than nitrogen gas). but i understand the point. essentially, the propane, through constant firing will lower the temperature of the internals of the gun, causing lower FPS etc. Thanks And the gun being used, i take it was the all black version of the gun Ken is advertising correct?

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