What will be the next big Airsoft innovation?

DeWee · February 22nd, 2015, 21:22

Variable velocity

Idea 1. Able to externally adjust spring guide position to adjust velocity accordingly

Idea 2. Sealed cylinder instead of a spring. Piston would be pulled into the cylinder by the sector gear, compressing the air, which would then be released. With a simple hand pump you could adjust the air pressure of the cylinder to adjust the velocity of the bb.

ThunderCactus · February 22nd, 2015, 21:28

Just put a slide seal on the cylinder. Slide it forward and it opens a forward port that under-volumes the barrel.
Spring guide idea would work, though.

Anyone else remember that guy who was having issues with his 249? Broke like 5 pistons because he thought the spring guide had two positions for adjusting fps? lol

DeWee · February 22nd, 2015, 21:44

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Just put a slide seal on the cylinder. Slide it forward and it opens a forward port that under-volumes the barrel.
Spring guide idea would work, though.

Anyone else remember that guy who was having issues with his 249? Broke like 5 pistons because he thought the spring guide had two positions for adjusting fps? lol

Are you talking about the new cylinder or the existing one?

ThunderCactus · February 22nd, 2015, 23:21

a new cylinder with 2 ports and a slide that moves back and forth to cover one or the other

pusangani · February 22nd, 2015, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeWee

Variable velocity

Idea 1. Able to externally adjust spring guide position to adjust velocity accordingly.

ICS' L86 has this feature, it's also got quick spring change which is odd that other guns that have quick spring change feature don't have this as well

DeWee · February 22nd, 2015, 23:49

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

a new cylinder with 2 ports and a slide that moves back and forth to cover one or the other

ahh a larger single cylinder vs two cylinders?

Ricochet · February 23rd, 2015, 00:44

Is like to see an electric/pneumatic combo gun. The choice between gas that has attitude problems in temperature variances, or having to carry tank while your gun is attached to a dedicated line are two evils I'm not willing to deal with. Although I like the realism of the whole bang and kick of a GBBR, I'll take reliability, performance and functionality over that any day. Seeing as how you can easily fit a Lipo in your guns now, it would be nice to have an inner bolt that creates kick and snap, but only needs an initial charge from the battery to start cycling.

Danke · February 23rd, 2015, 01:13

Do you mean like TM Recoil Shock?

Ricochet · February 23rd, 2015, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Danke

Do you mean like TM Recoil Shock?

Not sure, I haven't seen one.

grantmac · February 23rd, 2015, 02:05

Given the low pressure requirements for a GBBR I could definitely see something electro-pneumatic happening eventually.

-Grant

Ricochet · February 23rd, 2015, 02:24

I'm not much of an engineer, not at all in fact. I'm thinking of a piston style similar to a PTW, but thinner and with a bolt around the outside. When the piston is drawn back so is the bolt, but once released one is for round propulsion and the other for kick. Instead of a motor and mechbox, perhaps a small device that has a paddle that snaps back and forth drawing the piston. When it reaches its apex, the paddle is turned sideways, via the track it's on, releasing the piston and bolt. Springs could be used to make everything return to full battery. So you'd need an electronic control unit to run the whole thing, but if the paddle device was small enough, you may be able to fit it in the receiver, or in the buffer tube like a Systema. It could be directly a part of the trigger grouping. Run the whole deal off of a lipo, and without the motor you could cut down on power usage.

For the front of the bolt I'd use an insert, so you could switch between a pad, like a sorbo, or an aluminum plate. When the bolt strikes forward simulating the kick, you'd either get a bang-bang, or near silence. The take-down of the cylinder would be Systema-esque, except you'd just be popping a spring in and out.

On that note, you could something similar, but instead of the classic spring piston, just have the piston empty. The nozzle opening could be adjustable to control volume/FPS, and instead of a spring to draw back and snap forward, back would be full battery, and the decive physically pushes the cylinder forward from within.

DipTwit · February 24th, 2015, 22:32

Not sure, but this looks pretty damned close to my idea of the way p* should be....

http://www.airsoftsniping.com/?p=121

siggypoo · February 24th, 2015, 23:26

I still vote for gas drum mags.

Location: YYZ VOR 062 radial, 17.5 DME FL5280

Danke · February 25th, 2015, 00:05

For you guys re-thinking the mechbox why not just a tiny engine. It's just an air pump with a piston cycling back and forth, drawing in air, compressing it, and then exhausting it through a pipe (barrel) and muffler (silencer).

Foxer2373 · February 25th, 2015, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeWee

Variable velocity

Idea 1. Able to externally adjust spring guide position to adjust velocity accordingly

Idea 2. Sealed cylinder instead of a spring. Piston would be pulled into the cylinder by the sector gear, compressing the air, which would then be released. With a simple hand pump you could adjust the air pressure of the cylinder to adjust the velocity of the bb.

Do you not see a serious issue with this ability!

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February 22nd, 2015, 21:22	#136
DeWee Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hamilton, Ontario	Variable velocity Idea 1. Able to externally adjust spring guide position to adjust velocity accordingly Idea 2. Sealed cylinder instead of a spring. Piston would be pulled into the cylinder by the sector gear, compressing the air, which would then be released. With a simple hand pump you could adjust the air pressure of the cylinder to adjust the velocity of the bb. __________________ VFC Scar MK 17 w/EGLM Wester Arms 1911

February 23rd, 2015, 00:44	#142
Ricochet How much sand CAN you fit in your vagina!? Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Delta, BC (Greater Vancouver)	Is like to see an electric/pneumatic combo gun. The choice between gas that has attitude problems in temperature variances, or having to carry tank while your gun is attached to a dedicated line are two evils I'm not willing to deal with. Although I like the realism of the whole bang and kick of a GBBR, I'll take reliability, performance and functionality over that any day. Seeing as how you can easily fit a Lipo in your guns now, it would be nice to have an inner bolt that creates kick and snap, but only needs an initial charge from the battery to start cycling. __________________ I have developed a new sport called Airhard. Pretty much the same as Airsoft, except you have to maintain an erection...

February 23rd, 2015, 01:13	#143
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	Do you mean like TM Recoil Shock? __________________ Airsoft, where nothing is hurt but feelings.

February 22nd, 2015, 21:28	#137
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	Just put a slide seal on the cylinder. Slide it forward and it opens a forward port that under-volumes the barrel. Spring guide idea would work, though. Anyone else remember that guy who was having issues with his 249? Broke like 5 pistons because he thought the spring guide had two positions for adjusting fps? lol

February 22nd, 2015, 23:21	#139
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	a new cylinder with 2 ports and a slide that moves back and forth to cover one or the other

February 23rd, 2015, 02:05	#145
grantmac Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Victoria, BC	Given the low pressure requirements for a GBBR I could definitely see something electro-pneumatic happening eventually. -Grant

February 23rd, 2015, 02:24	#146
Ricochet How much sand CAN you fit in your vagina!? Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Delta, BC (Greater Vancouver)	I'm not much of an engineer, not at all in fact. I'm thinking of a piston style similar to a PTW, but thinner and with a bolt around the outside. When the piston is drawn back so is the bolt, but once released one is for round propulsion and the other for kick. Instead of a motor and mechbox, perhaps a small device that has a paddle that snaps back and forth drawing the piston. When it reaches its apex, the paddle is turned sideways, via the track it's on, releasing the piston and bolt. Springs could be used to make everything return to full battery. So you'd need an electronic control unit to run the whole thing, but if the paddle device was small enough, you may be able to fit it in the receiver, or in the buffer tube like a Systema. It could be directly a part of the trigger grouping. Run the whole deal off of a lipo, and without the motor you could cut down on power usage. For the front of the bolt I'd use an insert, so you could switch between a pad, like a sorbo, or an aluminum plate. When the bolt strikes forward simulating the kick, you'd either get a bang-bang, or near silence. The take-down of the cylinder would be Systema-esque, except you'd just be popping a spring in and out. On that note, you could something similar, but instead of the classic spring piston, just have the piston empty. The nozzle opening could be adjustable to control volume/FPS, and instead of a spring to draw back and snap forward, back would be full battery, and the decive physically pushes the cylinder forward from within. __________________ I have developed a new sport called Airhard. Pretty much the same as Airsoft, except you have to maintain an erection... Last edited by Ricochet; February 23rd, 2015 at 02:31..

February 24th, 2015, 22:32	#147
DipTwit Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Alberta	Not sure, but this looks pretty damned close to my idea of the way p* should be.... http://www.airsoftsniping.com/?p=121

February 24th, 2015, 23:26	#148
siggypoo Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oshawa, Ontario.	What will be the next big Airsoft innovation? I still vote for gas drum mags. Location: YYZ VOR 062 radial, 17.5 DME FL5280 __________________

February 25th, 2015, 00:05	#149
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	For you guys re-thinking the mechbox why not just a tiny engine. It's just an air pump with a piston cycling back and forth, drawing in air, compressing it, and then exhausting it through a pipe (barrel) and muffler (silencer). __________________ Airsoft, where nothing is hurt but feelings.

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