WA S.C.W and pre-S.C.W

[Daiviet]

Okay, I've seen a few guys talking about some western arms pistols, some being pre-scw and some being scw3 or 2 or whatever. I myself own a western arms pistol, but I don't exactly know what the difference is.

Would some of the WA experts care to explain what exactly makes people prefer one blowback system compared to the other? or the advantages and disadvantages of each?

[safx]

There is another thread where a lot
was written about the basic differences,
search around.

In general all WA's 1911/45's I've used
are good.

People don't tend to choose between
WA's based on version. It's more about
what you can get and what parts are
available for a particular model.

Ok, huff I'll write a little...

In the beginning there was Magna. The
old school WA system. Regular blow
chamber, and a firing pin in the frame
that gets struck by the moving hammer.
Hammers sometimes break over time
since they are striking the pin.

SCW around this time meant Shibuya
Custom Works— LE guns with LE parts.

Then came SCW the gun version. A new
longer blow chamber with redesigned
parts and a new slotted firing pin that
still gets hit by the hammer. Old slides
won't fit these models. Rear sights don't
screw through or into the chamber,
they only screw into the slide.

After this, comes the SCW2 versions.
These have the same blow chamber as
SCW1's but now the firing pin isn't hit
by the hammer, it's linked to it via a
pin that lets it flick out when the hammer
moves forward. Supposed to give more
consistent strikes to the valve...

SCW3's once again have the SCW1
blow chamber but another redesign
to the firing pin. It's still attached to
the hammer, flicks out to strike the
mag valve, but this one is a fat blob.
New pin is supposed to be stronger
and better than the SCW2 one...

All work well. Some prefer the older
guns, say they're built a little better,
with better finish and less rattle...

I tend to agree. I like the Magna and
SCW1's. But I've also owned a few
SCW2's and they've been nice as well,
barring the occasional sear or worn
leaf spring issue.

[safx]

Bump, since I've been
getting asked about WA's
by a few guys. Post here
and I'll try to help

[RacingManiac]

I hope I never get into WA 1911....I think I'll actually be broke if I do.....and confused as hell as well....

[safx]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

I hope I never get into WA 1911....I think I'll actually be broke if I do.....and confused as hell as well....

Haha, no no you would hold
your own.

Easy advice for anyone looking
to get a WA— get one of the
newer ones with upgrades or
metal kits in-stock ie: SCW3.

Picking up an older model with
no savvy for the market will
only lead to selling at a lower
price to me.

Keep in mind Western Arms
produces licensed replicas in
small batches, cause they move
on after to another and another
model, so when you see parts
come out for your exact model
don't wait to buy them or you'll
be sorry.

Most SCW3's have a layer of
copper sandwiched between 2
layers of durable/flexible abs
so they're propane ready.

[RacingManiac]

How are their mags though, the WA GBBR mags are notorious for propane problem stock, its not until the Heavy-Duty mag that it was ok for propane use stock...

[safx]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

How are their mags though, the WA GBBR mags are notorious for propane problem stock, its not until the Heavy-Duty mag that it was ok for propane use stock...

Funny you ask, cause their
GBB pistol mags are awesome
so I'm surprised they did a
poor job on the rifle mags.

I have all kinds of mags: SV
hicaps, various 1911's and
they have a nice weight plus
hold more gas than TM's

A good buddy of my Ironsight,
decided to get into WA a year
ago or so because he was
pining for an accurate Wilson.
I warned him to avoid, since
they were last produced in
SCW1 form years ago so he'd
have to look hard for parts.
The last metal frames sold
out just after he jumped in
but metal slides are still in
at Den. To the point, he built
2-3 of the WA Wilson's and
confirmed for me, that his
WA's hold a lot more gas and
shoot with much more kick
than his TM's. He's built 6-8
full metal TM 1911's over the
past couple years.

Some of the mags I have and
was using regularly were/are
5–10 years old, stock. I prefer
the magna to SCW1 ones when
the feedlip was part of the all
metal housing. SD also makes
housings and full mags for the
SV line.

As we've seen over the past
year, quality doesn't dominate
the market, cheap guns do.

[RacingManiac]

IMO the nicest part I like is the fact you can shoot them sideway....though I also like the fact that they seem to work with steel upgrades....not that I can afford it....hmmm

[safx]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

IMO the nicest part I like is the fact you can shoot them sideway....though I also like the fact that they seem to work with steel upgrades....not that I can afford it....hmmm

Sideways? lol wtf!

I guess... cause I shoot while
diving behind cover...

Due to the big blowback
they have little issue with
extra weight in the side.
Metal slides are often much
lighter than the stock abs
slide.

Afford it? WTF!!! you have
all the toys and pay dirt
for them. If anyone should
be proving me right, it's
you mofo! If I ever decide
to sell the GSR, I'll give
you dibs so you can have
one WA in your lifetime.

[KND]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

IMO the nicest part I like is the fact you can shoot them sideway....though I also like the fact that they seem to work with steel upgrades....not that I can afford it....hmmm

That sideway shooting only apply to SV series or hi-capa since there are parts 105 and 109 in magazines that will prevent the gas squirting out of the barrel and ejection port but for the sake of stable gas supply, I removed those parts for more stable shot after shot during rapid fire. WA also removed those parts in their full auto infinity as well for the advantage that I mention above.

So no gangster style shooting for you RC, if you are looking for more gas stable.

Edit : Credit to the guy from Arnie from topic SV tune up.

[safx]

Originally Posted by KND

That sideway shooting only apply to SV series or hi-capa since there are parts 105 and 109 in magazines that will prevent the gas squirting out of the barrel and ejection port but for the sake of stable gas supply, I removed those parts for more stable shot after shot during rapid fire. WA also removed those parts in their full auto infinity as well for the advantage that I mention above.

So no gangster style shooting for you RC, if you are looking for more gas stable.

Edit : Credit to the guy from Arnie from topic SV tune up.

Sorry KND but a quick test of
my SCW1 1911 and SCW2 GSR
both shoot sideways easily.

Care to explain why? This is
new to me, so I'm interested
in this new topic

[pusangani]

lol safx you're such an imp

[RacingManiac]

Not just gangsta, but also shooting under cover....just more stuff you can use in CAPS in case Ty makes more crazy barricade....

GSR is definitely a way in that I am considering....

[safx]

Found the link KND was
referencing, some good
stuff in there.

At first glance the the
piece he removed seems
to be helping seal...

I'll take apart a mag to
see what's what and try
to confirm this.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/proje.../sv_tuneup.htm

Pus' — imp? Now you're
giving me a short complex!

[KND]

Originally Posted by safx

Sorry KND but a quick test of
my SCW1 1911 and SCW2 GSR
both shoot sideways easily.

Care to explain why? This is
new to me, so I'm interested
in this new topic

Oh ! Safx, because of that I took my GSR to test out and shot upside down, it's only last for 3 shots, each shot has a cloud of gas coming out from ejection port but by the way, it shoot sideway fine.

Ah ! damn, you are fast. I was gonna to find the link since I only save the text in my WA pistol documentation.