M4A1 rail

j3anius · December 31st, 2005, 18:45

hey guys. I'm a newb i was just wondering how useful a veritcal grip is. Also, i just wanna ask if it is possible to fasten an under-rail to the TM M4A1 Carbine so that i am able to attach a vertical grip.

I know the tm m4a1 ris already comes with a vertical grip but i dont like how it has the moc an/peq.

Also, i will be getting my accesories from japan or filipines since my uncle goes there alot so things must be way cheaper there. so i'm not worried bout the money thing.

thanks alot

bruce · December 31st, 2005, 19:06

Bottom mounted rails are available for the non-RIS versions of M4/16. They are screwed onto the handguard. I'll use my M4s with or without the vertical grip. If you don't like the AN-PEQ battery holder, you can get a Crane stock where the batteries would be helded. Gives the M4 a better balance.

Just don't ask your uncle to bring you back a metal body.

j3anius · December 31st, 2005, 19:34

thanx for the help

if i do get a crane stock,would there be any re-wiring required?

thanx

bruce · December 31st, 2005, 19:53

Yes. Since the M4A1 has the battery up front, you'll need to re-route the wires to the back and extend the wires. Most Crane stock kits come with the extra length wire.

j3anius · January 1st, 2006, 03:39

for instance, i dont get the parts from my uncle..would i be better off gettin the TM M4A1 RIS and get a crane stock or would it still be cheaper to get the carbine version n add a bottom rail n vertical grip?

thanx

bruce · January 1st, 2006, 08:48

For sure it'll be cheaper to get the M4A1 carbine and add the rail and grip. As for which gun would be better for you, that is a question that you'll have to decide by yourself.

TH_CYRUS50 · January 1st, 2006, 08:53

I just made those mods on my M15A4.

The vertical grip is just great, i hold an M4 from ICS in my hands and that grip is just great, it take's the wheigt of your hand.

My mods costed about 80$us, a complete RIS set cost over 150$us.
Correct me if i am wrong on that.

-Cy

j3anius · January 1st, 2006, 16:10

thanx for the help bruce and cy...man this really sux. i've been stuck between the carbine and ris version for a long time now. plus the whole barrel wobble issue. if i had the carbine version, i see no way of fixing it but if i get the ris i could add a rail sleeve (i think that is what it is), right? plz correct me if i'm wrong. i'm just trying to get the best out of my money.

i've read that if i were to get a metal body for the TM M4A1, the whole barrel wobble issue would be gone but then i also read that this is false. can u plz inform me on which is correct?

aftica · January 1st, 2006, 17:04

metal body helps.
metal body with one piece outer barrel = no wobble.
metal body + one piece outer barrel + nitro rail sleeve = even better... no weak point between front and rear halves of gun.

TH_CYRUS50 · January 1st, 2006, 17:43

Isnt there a set that fixe's the wobble problem.
Another option, sell yout TM and buy something else.

-Cy

j3anius · January 1st, 2006, 19:50

aftica, now i can only use a nitro rail sleeve if i have an a tm m4a1 ris correct?

CY, do u by any chance know what this kit is called or wut it is composed of?
i dont have an aeg, i'm still researching on guns. m4a1 being my favorite. therefore i just wanna figure out what to do when i am faced with the problems for this gun.

thanx

bruce · January 1st, 2006, 20:05

On the TM M4A1s, there is an easy fix to improve the stiffness where the chamber block and barrel connects. It's not a kit that you buy but can do yourself or get someone to do it. Look in the AEG soultions section.

The Nitro rail works with the RIS version but it'll be better if you can get a metal bodied M4. The top rail on the TM M4 receivers are not that strong to support such stress.

j3anius · January 1st, 2006, 20:15

thanx guys...i really appriciate ur help

j3anius · January 1st, 2006, 20:32

i've been looking at metal bodies, and non of them have a space for the cocking lever(its not really a lever, but i duno wut its called =P). i just find it cool that the original body does have a cocking lever. is there any with cocking levers?

ty

bruce · January 1st, 2006, 20:34

The newest TM M4 carbine is suppose to have a improved barrel design that will prevent barrel wobble.

You mean a working cocking handle where it flips open the dust cover when you pull it? Some brands have them working but I can't remember which ones.

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December 31st, 2005, 18:45	#1
j3anius Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	M4A1 rail hey guys. I'm a newb i was just wondering how useful a veritcal grip is. Also, i just wanna ask if it is possible to fasten an under-rail to the TM M4A1 Carbine so that i am able to attach a vertical grip. I know the tm m4a1 ris already comes with a vertical grip but i dont like how it has the moc an/peq. Also, i will be getting my accesories from japan or filipines since my uncle goes there alot so things must be way cheaper there. so i'm not worried bout the money thing. thanks alot

December 31st, 2005, 19:06	#2
bruce Super Moderator Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal	Bottom mounted rails are available for the non-RIS versions of M4/16. They are screwed onto the handguard. I'll use my M4s with or without the vertical grip. If you don't like the AN-PEQ battery holder, you can get a Crane stock where the batteries would be helded. Gives the M4 a better balance. Just don't ask your uncle to bring you back a metal body. __________________ bruce: Team Bad Karma-(BK-05) : Special Battalion East-(SBE-01)

December 31st, 2005, 19:53	#4
bruce Super Moderator Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal	Yes. Since the M4A1 has the battery up front, you'll need to re-route the wires to the back and extend the wires. Most Crane stock kits come with the extra length wire. __________________ bruce: Team Bad Karma-(BK-05) : Special Battalion East-(SBE-01)

December 31st, 2005, 19:34	#3
j3anius Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	thanx for the help if i do get a crane stock,would there be any re-wiring required? thanx

January 1st, 2006, 03:39	#5
j3anius Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	for instance, i dont get the parts from my uncle..would i be better off gettin the TM M4A1 RIS and get a crane stock or would it still be cheaper to get the carbine version n add a bottom rail n vertical grip? thanx

January 1st, 2006, 08:48	#6
bruce Super Moderator Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal	For sure it'll be cheaper to get the M4A1 carbine and add the rail and grip. As for which gun would be better for you, that is a question that you'll have to decide by yourself. __________________ bruce: Team Bad Karma-(BK-05) : Special Battalion East-(SBE-01)

January 1st, 2006, 08:53	#7
TH_CYRUS50 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Netherlands, Europe	I just made those mods on my M15A4. The vertical grip is just great, i hold an M4 from ICS in my hands and that grip is just great, it take's the wheigt of your hand. My mods costed about 80$us, a complete RIS set cost over 150$us. Correct me if i am wrong on that. -Cy __________________ SPCLST TH_CYRUS You won't hear Won't see But when you feel pop You're out (of the game) My englisch sucks big time and i can't help it

January 1st, 2006, 16:10	#8
j3anius Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	thanx for the help bruce and cy...man this really sux. i've been stuck between the carbine and ris version for a long time now. plus the whole barrel wobble issue. if i had the carbine version, i see no way of fixing it but if i get the ris i could add a rail sleeve (i think that is what it is), right? plz correct me if i'm wrong. i'm just trying to get the best out of my money. i've read that if i were to get a metal body for the TM M4A1, the whole barrel wobble issue would be gone but then i also read that this is false. can u plz inform me on which is correct?

January 1st, 2006, 17:04	#9
aftica Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: clarington ont.	metal body helps. metal body with one piece outer barrel = no wobble. metal body + one piece outer barrel + nitro rail sleeve = even better... no weak point between front and rear halves of gun.

January 1st, 2006, 17:43	#10
TH_CYRUS50 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Netherlands, Europe	Isnt there a set that fixe's the wobble problem. Another option, sell yout TM and buy something else. -Cy __________________ SPCLST TH_CYRUS You won't hear Won't see But when you feel pop You're out (of the game) My englisch sucks big time and i can't help it

January 1st, 2006, 19:50	#11
j3anius Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	aftica, now i can only use a nitro rail sleeve if i have an a tm m4a1 ris correct? CY, do u by any chance know what this kit is called or wut it is composed of? i dont have an aeg, i'm still researching on guns. m4a1 being my favorite. therefore i just wanna figure out what to do when i am faced with the problems for this gun. thanx

January 1st, 2006, 20:05	#12
bruce Super Moderator Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal	On the TM M4A1s, there is an easy fix to improve the stiffness where the chamber block and barrel connects. It's not a kit that you buy but can do yourself or get someone to do it. Look in the AEG soultions section. The Nitro rail works with the RIS version but it'll be better if you can get a metal bodied M4. The top rail on the TM M4 receivers are not that strong to support such stress. __________________ bruce: Team Bad Karma-(BK-05) : Special Battalion East-(SBE-01)

January 1st, 2006, 20:15	#13
j3anius Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	thanx guys...i really appriciate ur help

January 1st, 2006, 20:32	#14
j3anius Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	i've been looking at metal bodies, and non of them have a space for the cocking lever(its not really a lever, but i duno wut its called =P). i just find it cool that the original body does have a cocking lever. is there any with cocking levers? ty

January 1st, 2006, 20:34	#15
bruce Super Moderator Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal	The newest TM M4 carbine is suppose to have a improved barrel design that will prevent barrel wobble. You mean a working cocking handle where it flips open the dust cover when you pull it? Some brands have them working but I can't remember which ones. __________________ bruce: Team Bad Karma-(BK-05) : Special Battalion East-(SBE-01)

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