KWA M4 firing but not hitting

Mantelope · August 18th, 2008, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownzyouall

I'm goining to try cleaning out the bucking and the barrel.

It's been established that it's not an issue with the gun, it's a problem with your expectations.

m102404 · August 18th, 2008, 11:03

I won't enter into a ballistics debate...there's plenty of info on the web about Line of Sight, bullet trajectories and zeroing a rifle on the Internet...and it's explained much more thoroughly than it is here.

But...I will put forward my own observations that airsoft bb trajectories are only vaguely similar to traditional firearms trajectories.

Get out to a field (at a game, not your backyard or anywhere where there's the slightest chance that you'll alarm the public) and pick out something a good long ways away (100feet is a good starting point). Take a couple of shots and keep both eyes (protected by goggles) open to see your shots. Some people have the visual capability to see the bbs and others don't...if you're having trouble, get someone else to spot for you. Shoot at a top of a tree, or the end of a branch or a specific object. (shooting with the sun behind you is easier than shooting into the sun...

). Look at the flight path of the bb...not just the absolute impact point.

The flight path should be as level as possible (i.e. very much like a straight level line) until the bb drops off sharply to the ground. This is where airsoft and firearm trajectories differ the most in my opinion. If your shots are falling short/nose diving "quickly"....then turn up your hopup. If they are heading out straight/level and then rising (also a difference between airsoft and firearms trajectories) at the end...then turn down your hopup.

***edit***
Ooops forgot to add this. Once you have your hopup dialed in, then you can turn your attention to zeroing your sights. There's no point in zeroing them if your bbs flight path aren't predictable.
*********

If you're getting wild flyers and some are shooting well and others are going all over the place...or if you're not getting the range that you thought you would...or if you find yourself wanting "just 10 more yards...)...well, welcome to airsoft.

If it's totally botched and just not working, take it someone to get it checked out...it'll save you a bunch of headaches, pain and aggravation.

Styrak · August 18th, 2008, 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownzyouall

I'm goining to try cleaning out the bucking and the barrel.

Did you not read ANYTHING in this thread? In which case, why did you make this thread? If you're not going to listen to people who know what they're talking about....then...just.....ugh.

AngelusNex · August 18th, 2008, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin

your sig says "I have a small *****"

SONUVA BITCH.... God damn mod did it agian...

Skladfin · August 18th, 2008, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownzyouall

I'm goining to try cleaning out the bucking and the barrel.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

this is just so fucking hopeless... *Cries in the corner*

F34N0R · August 18th, 2008, 16:53

euhm .. for the record, the main thread says 'problem solved', but we don't know if it is solved until he puts the bucking into the hop-up and tried it.

Bucking fall off easily once you remove the sleeve, so it could have fallen when he to the hopup apart and he hasnt seen it rolling to the corner of his room. I'd like to get a feedback on this thread to check if it was really a bucking missing.

I'm not saying your lying, but you should wait writing 'problem solved'.

People above my post know that bucking can't disappear, and so i. you said that everythings worked fine for about 3'000 rounds which we all assumed you had play with the hop up a bit once you got your armalite. Btw, that really surprise me to hear that KWA forgot a thing in one of their aeg, they put sector clip in their aeg!

Styrak · August 18th, 2008, 16:54

Forgot the nub....oh boy...

ownzyouall · August 18th, 2008, 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by *ATF*Feanor

euhm .. for the record, the main thread says 'problem solved', but we don't know if it is solved until he puts the bucking into the hop-up and tried it.

Bucking fall off easily once you remove the sleeve, so it could have fallen when he to the hopup apart and he hasnt seen it rolling to the corner of his room. I'd like to get a feedback on this thread to check if it was really a bucking missing.

I'm not saying your lying, but you should wait writing 'problem solved'.

People above my post know that bucking can't disappear, and so i. you said that everythings worked fine for about 3'000 rounds which we all assumed you had play with the hop up a bit once you got your armalite. Btw, that really surprise me to hear that KWA forgot a thing in one of their aeg, they put sector clip in their aeg!

Nothing fell out I disassembled the gun on the floor over a white towel. Everything that fall out would have fallen on that towel.

Skladfin · August 18th, 2008, 23:15

mind you that bucking is EXTREMELY small, it could get caught up in your pants, other parts lying around and its almost impossible to notice.

ownzyouall · August 19th, 2008, 00:34

Probably. W/e hopefully the replacement parts would fix it. Kinda weird how an AEG would act like this.

F34N0R · August 19th, 2008, 17:25

Its really weird that a hopup can work flawlessly without bucking.

No bucking = no hopup action (spinning). The hammer is not long enough to reach the sleeve.

So you have never setup your hopup even after 3000 rounds... ?

Mantelope · August 19th, 2008, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by *ATF*Feanor

Its really weird that a hopup can work flawlessly without bucking.

No bucking = no hopup action (spinning). The hammer is not long enough to reach the sleeve.

So you have never setup your hopup even after 3000 rounds... ?

The effect that a hopup would have wouldn't be noticeable at 10 feet anyway.

m!z · August 20th, 2008, 21:27

i was over at ownzyouall a.k.a Ricky's house when he got the replacement. Seems to be working better now.

Styrak · August 21st, 2008, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownzyouall

Kinda weird how an AEG would act like this.

Kinda weird how an AEG would act broken if it's missing parts?

WTF?

ownzyouall · August 21st, 2008, 01:06

My AEG is fixed. Works just like when it was brand new. I couldn't be happier.

Home	Forums	Register	Gallery	FAQ	Calendar
Retailers	Community	News/Info	International Retailers	IRC	Today's Posts

British Columbia	Alberta
BCAC	EAR
Op-For	JOC
Northern Arms Airsoft	Skunkworx Airsoft
Airsoft Kelowna	RAAT
Prince George Airsoft	Manitoba
Saskatchewan	MAA
SK Airsoft	Ontario
PDW	Airsoft Ottawa
South Sask Mercs	Snow Dragons
Quebec	1st Ranger Platoon
PQAC	Wolfpack Tactical
1st Pathfinders Regiment	TTAC3
Quebec Airsoft
MTX Airsoft	Atlantic
FAQc	Atlantic Airsoft

August 18th, 2008, 11:03	#32
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	I won't enter into a ballistics debate...there's plenty of info on the web about Line of Sight, bullet trajectories and zeroing a rifle on the Internet...and it's explained much more thoroughly than it is here. But...I will put forward my own observations that airsoft bb trajectories are only vaguely similar to traditional firearms trajectories. Get out to a field (at a game, not your backyard or anywhere where there's the slightest chance that you'll alarm the public) and pick out something a good long ways away (100feet is a good starting point). Take a couple of shots and keep both eyes (protected by goggles) open to see your shots. Some people have the visual capability to see the bbs and others don't...if you're having trouble, get someone else to spot for you. Shoot at a top of a tree, or the end of a branch or a specific object. (shooting with the sun behind you is easier than shooting into the sun... ). Look at the flight path of the bb...not just the absolute impact point. The flight path should be as level as possible (i.e. very much like a straight level line) until the bb drops off sharply to the ground. This is where airsoft and firearm trajectories differ the most in my opinion. If your shots are falling short/nose diving "quickly"....then turn up your hopup. If they are heading out straight/level and then rising (also a difference between airsoft and firearms trajectories) at the end...then turn down your hopup. *edit* Ooops forgot to add this. Once you have your hopup dialed in, then you can turn your attention to zeroing your sights. There's no point in zeroing them if your bbs flight path aren't predictable. ********* If you're getting wild flyers and some are shooting well and others are going all over the place...or if you're not getting the range that you thought you would...or if you find yourself wanting "just 10 more yards...)...well, welcome to airsoft. If it's totally botched and just not working, take it someone to get it checked out...it'll save you a bunch of headaches, pain and aggravation. Last edited by m102404; August 18th, 2008 at 11:05..

August 18th, 2008, 16:53	#36
F34N0R Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint-Georges, QC	euhm .. for the record, the main thread says 'problem solved', but we don't know if it is solved until he puts the bucking into the hop-up and tried it. Bucking fall off easily once you remove the sleeve, so it could have fallen when he to the hopup apart and he hasnt seen it rolling to the corner of his room. I'd like to get a feedback on this thread to check if it was really a bucking missing. I'm not saying your lying, but you should wait writing 'problem solved'. People above my post know that bucking can't disappear, and so i. you said that everythings worked fine for about 3'000 rounds which we all assumed you had play with the hop up a bit once you got your armalite. Btw, that really surprise me to hear that KWA forgot a thing in one of their aeg, they put sector clip in their aeg! __________________ WAR-THUG CORP. Last edited by F34N0R; August 18th, 2008 at 16:59..

August 18th, 2008, 16:54	#37
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Forgot the nub....oh boy... __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

August 18th, 2008, 23:15	#39
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	mind you that bucking is EXTREMELY small, it could get caught up in your pants, other parts lying around and its almost impossible to notice.

August 19th, 2008, 00:34	#40
ownzyouall Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	Probably. W/e hopefully the replacement parts would fix it. Kinda weird how an AEG would act like this.

August 19th, 2008, 17:25	#41
F34N0R Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint-Georges, QC	Its really weird that a hopup can work flawlessly without bucking. No bucking = no hopup action (spinning). The hammer is not long enough to reach the sleeve. So you have never setup your hopup even after 3000 rounds... ? __________________ WAR-THUG CORP.

August 20th, 2008, 21:27	#43
m!z Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	i was over at ownzyouall a.k.a Ricky's house when he got the replacement. Seems to be working better now.

August 21st, 2008, 01:06	#45
ownzyouall Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	My AEG is fixed. Works just like when it was brand new. I couldn't be happier.

KWA M4 firing but not hitting

Doctor's Corner