Lots of PTWs at A&A

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

After shooting a real MP5 in full auto and shooting an M4 full auto, I can tell you I'll take the M4 any day of the week. The MP5 has just as much recoil and the front end is much lighter than the M4. This caused too much muzzle rise for my liking and I found it hard to place shots, even with small bursts. The M4 experienced little muzzle rise and I had way better shot placement.

I'm sure there are still lots of organizations that use the MP5. I just have no idea why. Perhaps 20 years ago the MP5 was innovative and agencies bought them and now have no reason (or money) to replace them?

If you want to shoot one as a civilian, go to Vegas. You can shoot them all.

MP5s never seemed like kickers. What was the load you were shooting?

I'm actually much, MUCH more interested in the KAC PDW. If Systema decided to make one, I'd shite my pants, my room, and possible a good portion of the house.

[Skladfin]

well well, aren't you guys really happy :P

[BBS]

its been a happy day for Canadian airsofters!

[Rumpel Felt]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

No, it's more like the cost of about 1.5 other guns upgraded to as much as they can be and still not be at that performance or operational level. You trashed on Marui guns for their lack of realism. The PTW is to Classic Army what Classic Army is to Crosman. And that's being kind.

I know. I've pretty much owned them all.

So , what, this thing doesn't sound like a sewing machine and has blowback?

You're saying then that it can be used and quasi-abused?

If it sounds as lame as any other AEG but has a few improvements....is that it?? Or am I missing something....?

I don't know how the things it offers put all other brands in there place like you say, elighten me?

[wey ferro]

i hope systema makes an ak

[Tex]

An MP5 or AK would be great. But I still want to know what pistol they will make.

[Regan.S]

Unfortunately there pistols will be like what 1000.00 or 700.00? Hahaha no lie. Especially when they make GBB's

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by kos

MP5s never seemed like kickers. What was the load you were shooting?

Apparently they're really bad on full auto.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Regan.S

Unfortunately there pistols will be like what 1000.00 or 700.00? Hahaha no lie. Especially when they make GBB's

WA already makes pistols that (I'd like to consider, atleast) are generally PTW pistols. If you know anything about the inner workings of a 1911, you'll especially enjoy the realistic Browning chamber lock operation, and functioning grip-safety, and half-cock safety.

I don't know fuck-all about M92s, but I'd assume they're generally the same in terms of realism, and smooth operation.

Originally Posted by Styrak

Apparently they're really bad on full auto.

Y'know, now that you mention it... I think I read that somewhere. Maybe I'm thinking of the SD5?

[wey ferro]

which wa's are these 1911,ifyou have time can i get a link please.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by wey ferro

which wa's are these 1911,ifyou have time can i get a link please.

Generally any SCW 2 (or better). Albeit, some are different. as per RS counterpart, basically.

[Gryphon]

*EDIT* Retracted.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Gryphon

Yes but they'll be $2,495 at A&A. You know, cause of brokerage and shipping.

Quoted for the truth.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Gryphon

Yes but they'll be $2,495 at A&A. You know, cause of brokerage and shipping.

Lol.

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

So , what, this thing doesn't sound like a sewing machine and has blowback?

No, they have a very mean and deliberate report. And with the M130 and M150 especially, they have enough recoil to keep your sight picture floating a bit. Basically, you know when it shoots and so does everyone else.

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

You're saying then that it can be used and quasi-abused?

Yes. But within reason. I wouldn't try to buttstroke a rhino with it, but you don't have to worry about some cheap part breaking on it. There are none.

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

If it sounds as lame as any other AEG but has a few improvements....is that it?? Or am I missing something....?

You have to see one, hold it and shoot it to understand. Whatever your experiences have been with any other gun are totally undone with a PTW. I know no other way to explain it. The PTW must be experienced to be understood.

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

I don't know how the things it offers put all other brands in there place like you say, elighten me?

Upgrade your gun to equal or better range than the PTW. Easy enough to do. Now take a gun and make it shoot as fast as a PTW. Easy enough as well. Then take a gun and make it shoot as hard as a PTW. Easy enough as well. Now try to do all 3 at the same time with the same gun. Then give it the lowest trigger lag of any gun made, give it superior current consumption (a 1200 mah battery will drive a 500+ fps gun for 1500 rounds), give it empty-mag interlock and make it tough and reliable. You can't do it, for any money and with unlimited time, unless you clone the PTW.

Guys upgrade guns all the time and no matter who they are or how much money they spend, there is always failures, compromises, performance goals un-met. Not with a PTW. But you can't learn about it on-line. Go to a game where one is present and then you will know. Those who see one but don't want one, quite frankly have a screw loose.