Solution to reduce cheating at indoor games

[SuperHog]

Only the shooter knows he got his target out, but there is no reason why more people don't put cams on their guns to document their hits for any game.

You can buy a $10 camcroder on ebay that even at 720x480 more than enough resolution to capture all hits.

Look at CQB city in California. There are so many players using cams, the footages are combined for a great video of each game.

If the team continues to cheat, just post the videos. I got one on video where the target got hit over 10 times in tender spots, and he just shrug it off and kept playing.

No sense complaining when video is your best witness. Why don't UA random mount cams on players that always complain that their targets never call out???

[Zack The Ripper]

I agree with Trevor as I played in all of those closed games at UA.

My solution if I know its blatant: call myself out, pull my rag and put my gun up. I then walk over to where the guy is I know who is cheating and KINDLY ask for his name. If I get it, I inform game control. If I don't, well, taking the time to walk up and ask has allowed me to get a good idea of what he looks like so I can report it to game control anyways. The key with that solution is being calm and not losing your shit on the person. Simply ID the person and walk away.

Some people have gotten defensive when I have asked for their name and I simply ask for it again, calmly. If they absolutely refuse, again, I have now visually IDed the person so I then go to game control and explain what has happened. Generally works most of the time and by being cool and collected you are giving no bait for conflict.

[coach]

Originally Posted by SuperHog

Only the shooter knows he got his target out,

Not always true. One Wasaga game years ago, someone was shooting at me and yelling "You're dead, I hit you, your out, etc...". So I stood up and walked forwards in the open 10 feet and told him his shots were dropping 12 feet shy of where I was. He kept shooting but the BB's were still landing in front of my feet. Needless to say, Wildcard flanked him and shot him in the ass.

That same kid or one of his friends, at a later round, then proceeded to try and hide behind a log fence/barricade 20-25 feet from us where Wildcard and I dumped a dozen plus 40's at him, and we know he was hit each time as he flinched from impact and moved around cowering in fear. Unfortunately for him, his cover wasn't complete cover as it had big gaps to shoot through, but he continued to refuse to call his hits, so we kept shooting.

[Hectic]

Wish i had a years supply of 40mm's to lug around lol

[lurkingknight]

scaring the fuck out of cheating noobs with bigger, better weapons and tactics is always fun. :P

[SuperHog]

Originally Posted by coach

Not always true. One Wasaga game years ago, someone was shooting at me and yelling "You're dead, I hit you, your out, etc...". So I stood up and walked forwards in the open 10 feet and told him his shots were dropping 12 feet shy of where I was. He kept shooting but the BB's were still landing in front of my feet. Needless to say, Wildcard flanked him and shot him in the ass.

That same kid or one of his friends, at a later round, then proceeded to try and hide behind a log fence/barricade 20-25 feet from us where Wildcard and I dumped a dozen plus 40's at him, and we know he was hit each time as he flinched from impact and moved around cowering in fear. Unfortunately for him, his cover wasn't complete cover as it had big gaps to shoot through, but he continued to refuse to call his hits, so we kept shooting.

The shooter and his camcorder will confirm the hit. If the bbs were landing in front of your feet, his video will show it. Because he did not have a camcorder, his shots could hitting you and he couldn't prove it.

No excuse not to have a camcorder. This one cost $10 on ebay, 80 deg fov 720x480 resolution, 30fps.

[Trev140_0]

The very first post I have for Hill437:
(edited out stuff that is not relevant)



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LOCATION NEAR HAMILTON/BURLINGTON

Been working on a new field and the concept is a bit different. This property is private, and the games are held by players who have vouched for each other for code of ethic, calling hits, respect.


Cont.....

.. If you have an interest in playing, and carry a respectful history within the ASC you can PM me for information.


If you have interest post "in" on here and pm me and we can discuss if this field is of interest and lines up with your goals.
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Amazing how stating the above, is a first check valve. I can say, most of the guys who wound up PM'ing were so easy to verify they were cool it was not funny.

Keep in mind, I have a lot of players who are not even coming from the ASC world either. Players who don't even know/care about ASC. Still, pretty easy to screen if you take the time.

I am in the middle of working with 8 brand new players right now. Unfortunately though, I am having to spend a bit of time going back and forth on al the gear requirements etc first, but meh...its worth it.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Simple Rule... NO ONE may refuse to provide any other player with their full legal name and registered nickname

refusing to disclose your identity to anyone who asks is grounds for ejection from the game. no second chance not later disclosure.. if asked your name you give it.. or you are gone.

It is anonymity that empowers cowards and cheats .. Those of weak character and corrupt morals shrink from the light of day.

You have exactly one reputation, if you stood to lose it because everyone knows who you are.. the behavior would improve overall.

[lurkingknight]

Originally Posted by SuperHog

The shooter and his camcorder will confirm the hit. If the bbs were landing in front of your feet, his video will show it. Because he did not have a camcorder, his shots could hitting you and he couldn't prove it.

No excuse not to have a camcorder. This one cost $10 on ebay, 80 deg fov 720x480 resolution, 30fps.

I have a couple of those I use for autocross... they're neat cause you can put them just about anywhere to film.. under the car, in the wheel well, tape it to a spoke on the wheel... etc...

problem is, the 10$ ones on ebay are factory rejects of ghost shift units, they are of definite inferior quality to the ones sold at retail closer to 70$. Mine all have the same issue in that they stop recording or can't write beyond a certain memory location on the memory card at random intervals.

I used it all day at this event and only got 1 video that was the proper length: 2011 MCO AutoX Jun 12 run 4 mini camera test - YouTube

when they work though, they're pretty good. hard to see something the size of a BB though.

[hollywood...]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

Simple Rule... NO ONE may refuse to provide any other player with their full legal name and registered nickname

refusing to disclose your identity to anyone who asks is grounds for ejection from the game. no second chance not later disclosure.. if asked your name you give it.. or you are gone.

It is anonymity that empowers cowards and cheats .. Those of weak character and corrupt morals shrink from the light of day.

You have exactly one reputation, if you stood to lose it because everyone knows who you are.. the behavior would improve overall.

exactly

[coach]

Originally Posted by SuperHog

The shooter and his camcorder will confirm the hit. If the bbs were landing in front of your feet, his video will show it. Because he did not have a camcorder, his shots could hitting you and he couldn't prove it.

No excuse not to have a camcorder. This one cost $10 on ebay, 80 deg fov 720x480 resolution, 30fps.

I have that exact one but not the ebay knock off. tracking the BB's at range is not going to be easy to determine a hit or miss

[lurkingknight]

the problem is that unless the conditions and lighting are perfect, even an HD camera will have issues catching the BBs hit... look at scout the doggie's videos on YT... how often do you see BBs hitting targets down range? You see incoming pretty good, but even in dynamo's video you can't see any BBs flying let alone hit someone.

[ThunderCactus]

Originally Posted by coach

I have that exact one but not the ebay knock off. tracking the BB's at range is not going to be easy to determine a hit or miss

+1
I had a contour 720p, and I still couldn't see my BB's past about 80ft
The only way you could see hits beyond that was from target reaction and that's not definitive.
Gotta do like that one sniper on youtube and have a side mount scope with a camera mounted infront lol

[Trev140_0]

Ya, I watched the video on the crazy Asian guys on youtube the next day. After the UA debacle.

That clearly was effective in fixing the fucked up night for the people who went paid and was pissed, and of course all the future games they continued to attend elsewhere.

But the video was great.

(cough)


You guys realize there is a world outside of ASC right?

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[Hectic]

Originally Posted by Trev140_0

Ya, I watched the video on the crazy Asian guys on youtube the next day. After the UA debacle.

That clearly was effective in fixing the fucked up night for the people who went paid and was pissed, and of course all the future games they continued to attend elsewhere.

But the video was great.

(cough)


You guys realize there is a world outside of ASC right?

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What!?! Where? I assure you i have never heard or such a place! *insert sarcasim*