This MAY change airsoft as we know it

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by The Saint

True.



False.

Individuals are afforded the full spectrum of legal protection for acquiring, possessing, transporting and responsibly using Replica Firearm. The language of the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code is one of inclusion and exclusion, so there is nothing unusual about the exception.

And had they not included it, they would have been faced with a situation where Canadian public agencies crushed by the sheer scale of a ban on everything that looked convincingly gun-like. They could've grandfathered all existing Replica Firearms in Canada to ease the aforementioned scenario, but they didn't. They did not grandfather and they did not ban. In fact, the Firearms Act makes completely banning Replica Firearm impossible.



Transfer has a very specific meaning under the Firearms Act and Criminal Code. Transfer for the purpose of this topic is always the point of origin. The seller, giver, (originating) barterer is the transferer. Individuals may only transfer Prohibited Devices to businesses, that's what the Act says.

However, when it comes to the recipient, the buyer, there are no laws against that portion of an exchange. The key is to understand that the Act relies on possession to control acquisition. Because Replica Firearm is not illegal in any way for individuals to possess (provided no other laws are broken, like stolen goods or smuggling), it is not illegal for individuals to acquire.



The legislation is not the problem.

You seem to have an advantage in having an expert opinion on the legislation whereas most of us don't even have the legislation in front of us. Do you mind posting links to the legislation?

The discussion would be pretty asymetrical without looking at the applicable laws.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by MadMax

You seem to have an advantage in having an expert opinion on the legislation whereas most of us don't even have the legislation in front of us. Do you mind posting links to the legislation?

The discussion would be pretty asymetrical without looking at the applicable laws.

Firearms Act

Criminal Code

Disclaimer

[MadMax]

Awesome. I haven't looked at this in ages:

Duelling
71. Every one who
(a) challenges or attempts by any means to provoke another person to fight a duel,

(b) attempts to provoke a person to challenge another person to fight a duel, or

(c) accepts a challenge to fight a duel,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 72.

[MadMax]

It still seems odd to declare something as a prohibited device and immediately exempt that thing from penalty for most legitimate actions. ASGs are clearly defined as replica firearms and therefore prohibited devices, but the only thing you can do wrong with them is to rob a convenience store.

What are the ramifications of something being declared a prohibited device but exempted from most practical limitations?

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by MadMax

What are the ramifications of something being declared a prohibited device but exempted from most practical limitations?

The ramification is that not all Prohibited Devices are automatically prohibited because they are listed under the Prohibited Device umbrella. Nor are all Prohibited Devices equal.

It is not being listed as a Prohibited Device that makes something prohibited. Prohibited Device is just a category (not even really a definition) with no legal restrictions attached to it on its own. It derives its "prohibitedness" from being included in various offences in the Criminal Code. For example, it is illegal to possess Prohibited Device without proper authorization only because Prohibited Device shows up in the appropriate Possession Offence subsection.

If a certain type of Prohibited Device is explicitly excluded from various offences that otherwise include Prohibited Device as a whole, then that explicitly excluded type of device does not share in the same prohibitedness in under that situation.

[Long_Bong]

Ok, after some inquiry, you get can a P229 GBB training weapon (with red tip) at Dante for 299$.

Email copy:

Bonjour Sebas,

Le prix pour le 229R air soft est $299.95 + taxes. Pour le commader tu peut
nous laisser un depot par carte de credit. Merci.

Aldo

Dante Inc.
Since/Depuis 1956
6851 St-Dominique,
Montreal, Quebec, H2S 3B3
Tel:514-271-2057
Fax:514-271-0675

It not a deal I would said (price wise), but a change. This mean that the cie importing the GBB can sell it to a distributor without any legal constraint. We can therefore get it. The question his: will it last?...

[SHÖCK]

Originally Posted by Long_Bong

Ok, after some inquiry, you get can a P229 GBB training weapon (with red tip) at Dante for 299$.

Email copy:

Bonjour Sebas,

Le prix pour le 229R air soft est $299.95 + taxes. Pour le commader tu peut
nous laisser un depot par carte de credit. Merci.

Aldo

Dante Inc.
Since/Depuis 1956
6851 St-Dominique,
Montreal, Quebec, H2S 3B3
Tel:514-271-2057
Fax:514-271-0675

It not a deal I would said (price wise), but a change. This mean that the cie importing the GBB can sell it to a distributor without any legal constraint. We can therefore get it. The question his: will it last?...

That's Mopic's price basically.

Please let us know when you can get some information du le prix pour le Sig 552

Merci!

[SigmanXT]

do u think the orange tip is removable?

[Schlyder]

Originally Posted by SigmanXT

do u think the orange tip is removable?

:banghead: black Sharpie man. It is cool that we may be able to get some good quality guns soon. Some all metals, and maybe even stuff we never dreamed we could get.
What about a loophole, in that if you are with an "organized Public Militia" ie: your local squad ..... that we are indeed training. Get certified instructors to do clinics, run certified courses, etc. and we should be able to get what we need to "train" with.:smile:

[Shrike]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Awesome. I haven't looked at this in ages:

Duelling
71. Every one who
(a) challenges or attempts by any means to provoke another person to fight a duel,

(b) attempts to provoke a person to challenge another person to fight a duel, or

(c) accepts a challenge to fight a duel,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 72.

Thats awesome, Gunk and I could be spending two years together in the cell cause I challenged him to a duel once!

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by IronOverlord

:banghead: black Sharpie man. It is cool that we may be able to get some good quality guns soon. Some all metals, and maybe even stuff we never dreamed we could get.
What about a loophole, in that if you are with an "organized Public Militia" ie: your local squad ..... that we are indeed training. Get certified instructors to do clinics, run certified courses, etc. and we should be able to get what we need to "train" with.:smile:

I thought that militia thing was the US Constitution, not ours.

Ld

[The Saint]

We still have militias? I thought the reserves took that over.

That's not a loophole, the law was never intended to restrict replica's use in the training of public officers. That includes LEO, CF, hell, even cadets, provided you have a sufficiently senior officer doing the paper work.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by IronOverlord

:banghead: black Sharpie man. It is cool that we may be able to get some good quality guns soon. Some all metals, and maybe even stuff we never dreamed we could get.
What about a loophole, in that if you are with an "organized Public Militia" ie: your local squad ..... that we are indeed training. Get certified instructors to do clinics, run certified courses, etc. and we should be able to get what we need to "train" with.:smile:

Although not specifically illegal the government may shut down such action quite easily... essentially with a stroke of a pen.

The organization of armed public militias is not illegal.. but neither is it supported by the law. ..

Having organized such a militia .. does not exempt one from any of the laws regarding possession or use or transfer of proscribed items such as replica firearms.

Unlawful Drilling
Orders by Governor in Council

70. (1) The Governor in Council may, by proclamation, make orders

(a) to prohibit assemblies, without lawful authority, of persons for the purpose

(i) of training or drilling themselves,

(ii) of being trained or drilled to the use of arms, or

(iii) of practising military exercises; or


(b) to prohibit persons when assembled for any purpose from training or drilling themselves or from being trained or drilled.

General or special order

(2) An order that is made under subsection (1) may be general or may be made applicable to particular places, districts or assemblies to be specified in the order.
Punishment

(3) Every one who contravenes an order made under this section is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 70; 1992, c. 1, s. 60(F).

[SHÖCK]

Originally Posted by SigmanXT

do u think the orange tip is removable?

If you are referring to the P226 and P226, it's just a plastic orange piece that is glued onto the outer barrel. The actual guns have barrels flush inside the slide.

[mopic]

Easy removal of the tip, no problems at all.