Warning for KJW M700 users and game orgs

[Metro]

What about for the fun of it.. If you draw blood you get taxed or fined???
The shooter has to pay a X amount to the victim?
LOL

[MMMiles!]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Example is HJ's post above, says he is witness to a .3g BB getting imbedded in someone's lip, but never gave the range it was shot at. Could have been 30ft for all we know.

Asking is free you know. If it was 30ft away, there would be no real scientific value to me pointing it out. As Malinak mentioned, the shot was just on the verge of the safe distance, around 60ft, and it went right into his lip. He was shooting a target 30feet behind him, when Baker stood up to rush, and got dinged in the face. That shot definitely would have taken a tooth out, it did some pretty gnarly damage.

I like the idea of high sniper velocities to make them practical, but it doesn't thrill me to see how much damage they can do under some circumstances. A McDonald's cup is not really analogous to human skin penetration, Baker's skin is (or was anyway; he died shortly after the hit, and we miss him so. or he stopped playing airsoft, I don't remember which).

[CDN_Stalker]

Actually Miles, I did ask, right after your post. Guess it got buried before you replied. I know what your point is, and I have to agree. I am not comfortable with shooting someone with my rifles within 75ft or so, which is why I try to distance myself best I can.

McDonalds cup wasn't a test, it was just a target and we noticed how the BBs (.25g) just kinda went over there and knocked it over without any spectacular results. Made me start realizing a LOT of the fps and energy dies after about 75ft. Granted, I took pics of what my M24 (415fps w/.2g) and my M700 (say 450fps with duster, 550fps with propane) does at 30ft to empty tuna cans. Both were done with .36g BBs. M24 and M700 on duster left a dent maybe 1mm deep on the bottom of the cans. The .36g BBs shot with propane blew a hole RIGHT through the bottom of the can. Keep in mind, this wasn't point blank, I'm talking 30ft away! I'm totally fine with using only duster in my M700, and keeping my distance.

[gandar]

I would love to see the fps moved up for snipers so they can actually have a functioning role, but I agree with HoJo... it's all well and good you're gonna stay 100ft from your target, but what happens when buddy X walks in front of you at 30ft, or just pops up at the wrong time. I wouldn't want to be on the shooting end or the recieving end of that. It would suck hardcore, and it's a pretty good chance that at 100ft you're gonna have someone pop into your LOF before you get the shot off....

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by gandar

........and it's a pretty good chance that at 100ft you're gonna have someone pop into your LOF before you get the shot off....

There's something no one has thought of yet. Good point Gandar!

[Green_Igor]

There is something else we are all forgetting. Is the fact that not all fields or even many of them have say 100ft of clear space to even use airsoft sniper rifles at that sort of velocities.

Meaning in Ottawa here there are only a few spots on both fields that have 100ft clearence areas to be safely used. Guess what happens when the snipers can only shoot in those areas. We all get smart and start avoiding those areas.

as well in regards to safely use these extremely powerful sniper rifles there are not many people I would personally trust in the airsoft community to use them. I could probably count only on 2 hands the guys in ottawa that I would trust to use them. This is why we use a velocity for the rules. Because the guys that are told no will complain and bitch that they should be allowed to use them and many players are just too polite to point out you are not allowed to use them because you are not safe enough or trusted enough.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by Green_Igor

There is something else we are all forgetting. Is the fact that not all fields or even many of them have say 100ft of clear space to even use airsoft sniper rifles at that sort of velocities.

Meaning in Ottawa here there are only a few spots on both fields that have 100ft clearence areas to be safely used. Guess what happens when the snipers can only shoot in those areas. We all get smart and start avoiding those areas.

At the Foxden, you are correct, which is why I'd never use a hot gun, and are careful with my shots. Sure, there are easy 100ft shots that can be taken, but when one is doing the attack/defends at the bases, the closest one is able to get clear line of shot is maybe 70ft.

The LZ is a whole different ballgame though. There are tonnes of places you can get 300-400ft clear line of shot easy, which is farther than pretty much most airsoft guns can only dream of. Then there's in the brush, but why would anyone really use a sniper rifle in that type of close environment anyways?

[Sgt.Hartman]

hey im a noob, where can i buy this gun? canadian tire?
thx you !

[CDN_Stalker]

Lol, the daily dose of comic relief!

[ancorp]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Spoke with a couple teammates and we're planning on putting this entire fps vs. BB weight vs. distance to rest. Seems that too many people have been scared into the "if it shoots 550fps with .2g BBs, then it's NOT safe at any distance!!!" Ya, I know, legality and such, but this is a test, so who cares about repeated words there.

Ok, here's what we plan to do. Simplicity wise, we are working out the details, but are suggesting propane vs. duster, .20g BBs up to .36g BBs, distances will be measured out, and instead of any fancy measures or calculations, will go for the penetration testing. I thought balloons, water ballons, foam, etc. at say 20ft increments with a full mag of gas each time to keep upper end levels consistant. If duster in my gun shoots the first .2g BB at 461, and all other fall under 450fps, then each will be done at 461fps. All testing will be noted, and will be video taped as much as we can. As long as it's understood that we are just trying to dispell the myths of the airsoft gun, am sure no one will complain. Besides, Droc volunteered to mbe the human test dummy for all our tests anyways. What's better than that? (Hey, he votes Liberal!!!!! Hehe)

Man that would be fun to watch (esp the human test dummy tests :wink: )
Seriously though, I think its a great idea, and thank you for taking on such a project.

Cheers,
Alex

[CDN_Stalker]

We'll make sure to get it on video and post it. Droc knows what it's like to get hit by various upgrades, so he can roughly estimate if a .36 flying at 350fps from 100ft away feels like a .25 flying at 400fps does at 50ft. Not facts there, just examples. Hey, one of the airsoft grenades I made he filmed from 20ft away, and a dry pea hit him inthe forearm and left a welt. He said it was about the same feeling as a TM springer shooting .2g BBs from the same distance. I'll take his word for it!

[CDN_Stalker]

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums...TOPIC_ID=77254

The power on the KJW M700 is adjustable according to this thread. Everything from 280fps using propane all the way up to 560fps. Good read for all that have one of these, especially when dealing with field limits.

[Quantis]

That's fantastic !
I'm gonna turn mine down so I can run Propane under 450fps instead of using duster all the time.

Too bad I didn't know this before I cut 2 coils off that spring ;(

[v82slo]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums...TOPIC_ID=77254

The power on the KJW M700 is adjustable according to this thread. Everything from 280fps using propane all the way up to 560fps. Good read for all that have one of these, especially when dealing with field limits.

Schweet. Glad someone figured this out and hope it works since I plan on getting one of these rifles.

Alright, here is how you do it...

Take out your bolt as the manual shows. Flip it over and you will see two small screws (flat head). Remove these and the front part of the bolt will remove (part with the nossle on it). Next located the small allen screw on the bottom of the hammer (in back of bolt on bottom). Loosen the allen or even take it all the way out (just ot be safe so no pressure on the rod). Next you will see a rod sticking out the front of the bolt where the piece with the nossle came off. There is a sloted head on this rod. turn it clock wise untill it stops. This is the maximum power position (for me 560fps). Now if you turn it counter clockwise, it will decrease the power. I found that no more than 2 full turns should be done (at this position gun shoots 280ish and if you go more, the gun will not fire anymore for lack of spring tension). When pick where you want it to be, put the allen screw back in and make sure its snug, then reassemble the bolt the way you took it apart. Put back in gun and have fun. Oh yeah, make sure that all the parts in there have some oil on them and move freely.

There you have it, this should make it possible for you to make it under whatever field limit you may have in your area. For me i tune it to shoot just a little under 400 with propane and green gas. Just make sure before you chrono at your field of choice, fire the gun maybe twice before chronoing because on the gas sniper rifles, the first shot or two may have a higher fps than the bulk of your shots. Hope this works for all you as well as it worked for me.

[CDN_Stalker]

Well, for the lazy, I chronied 461fps first shot on duster, and all others were between 435 and 445fps using .20g BBs (was around 30C outside). So duster is the easy approach to staying in field limits.