A study in airsoft ammunition (primarily BB Bastards)

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Ronan

Our snipers are chronoed at 450fps... wtf do you guys plan to hit with a 0.34g BB??? lol

YOU.

[ex]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

YOU.

[CDN_Stalker]

Hehe, good one Scarecrow! VERY good one!

Ronan, fields with sniper limits have those limits set at 0.20g BBs, aka. 450fps with a 0.20g. As the BB weight goes up, the velocity goes down. Difference in 0.36g and 0.20g that I've seen repeatedly is roughly 100fps, so a 450fps rifle with a 0.20g BB will chrony at 350fps with a 0.36g. Therefore, all BB weights in between those two will also fall within that velocity range. I'd guess that 0.34g BB would sit around 360-370fps, will be easier to get the rounds farther than 0.36g (not as powerful a gun required), and be more wind resistant and stable than 0.30g. I'd prefer 0.33g, but I honestly can't say why (other than in between 0.30g and 0.36g) or which weight would be better, if much of a differnce at all. I mean, 0.01g is pretty tiny.

[Donster]

just out of curiosity, what does your M24 crony at with .2's stalker?

[reddeth]

I'm one of the guys from ASF, I'd be interested in .34 BBs

[Donster]

Originally Posted by reddeth

I'm one of the guys from ASF, I'd be interested in .34 BBs

Welcome to ASC!

[CDN_Stalker]

As you can see I've invited some of the Airsoft Retret forum guys to register and post on here to support interest. Welcome reddeth!

Originally Posted by DONSTER 125

just out of curiosity, what does your M24 crony at with .2's stalker?

This is one of the issues I'm trying to figure out, my M24 decides on a nightly basis what it wants to shoot at. One night it'll sit around 508fps, another 490fps, another 480fps, another 520fps. No adjustments, not anything, it just does what it wants. Even the temperature doesn't fluctuate that much (generally right now it's sweater temp downstairs, maybe in the low to mid teens). Only thing I can think of fluctuating is the rubber hop up unit and the rubber piston head (like in a vacuum tube amplifier, the only things that can wear out are capacitors, namely electrolytic, and the tubes themselves, nothing else will wear out or vary under normal temp ranges) but I'm not dealing with extreme temperature fluctuations, so I'm really at a loss right now.

[mcguyver]

Humidity? Water and silicone oil don't mix well, so any oil residue in your gun (hop-up rubber) will force water to the surface, altering your hop up. Just a stab in the dark there.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

Humidity? Water and silicone oil don't mix well, so any oil residue in your gun (hop-up rubber) will force water to the surface, altering your hop up. Just a stab in the dark there.

Possibly, but I haven't noticed much of a change in that at all on a night to night basis.

[Koopa]

Jay.. how will you compete with name brands like AE and KSC who charge the same price or less in the US than you do up here?

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Koopa

Jay.. how will you compete with name brands like AE and KSC who charge the same price or less in the US than you do up here?

Simple, I don't plan to.

Reason is KSC and AE are not the same quality in any way shape or form. I've spent considerably more time and money making a more consistent and better shooting product than them. And based on my sales figures year over year, each year my sales about doubles. So thats gotta hurt AE and KSC at least in Canada. This year we'll be selling more into the northern US. At most the Canadian dollar will remain at par or will dip down when you actually exchange it, so even if they price match, once you add duty, taxes and shipping, Bastards are still a better deal both dollar wise and quality wise.

I've always bet on airsofters who prefer to pay perhaps one or two dollars more on a bag in order to get a better product.

Also, I unlike AE, KSC, et al. I don't have to answer to airsofters with jammed and broken guns due to shit materials, compression manufacturing, and shattered BBs due to widespread distribution of airbubbles in the substrate. I'd rather pay a little more and charge a little more to avoid those phone calls. Unlike those makes, you guys have my name, phone number and address - I am not some anonymous Hong Kong ricebag pusher who suddenly doesn't know who you are when you have a complaint.

[BBS]

one simple cliche will sum up Jay's products: You get what you pay for. 'nuff said.

[CDN_Stalker]

Now that I had a bit of time away from the wrokbench....... another MK23 spring run of tests.

0.20g:

214.2
216.3
217.4
219.0
220.8
221.4
219.4
212.9
217.3
218.8

Average: 217.8fps
Spread: 8.5fps

0.25g

196.8
199.6
198.9
199.0
199.0
200.0
198.0
198.9
194.2
196.0

Average: 198.0fps
Spread: 5.8fps

0.28g

180.6
181.9
179.4
181.5
184.1
181.4
185.2
182.1
182.7
175.5

Average: 181.4fps
Spread: 9.7fps

0.30g

179.3
178.6
179.2
181.6
178.1
181.1
180.6
178.8
180.0
182.2

Average: 180.0fps
Spread: 3.6fps

Yet again, the 0.30g show very tight tolerances and consistnacy, seems for the most part my tests have an average spread of roughly 4fps.

[Sha Do]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

As you can see I've invited some of the Airsoft Retret forum guys to register and post on here to support interest. Welcome reddeth!

Welcome indeed....any opinions expressed by experienced "outsides" is a valuable resource, and is always welcome.

SHA DO

[Donster]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Simple, I don't plan to.

Reason is KSC and AE are not the same quality in any way shape or form. I've spent considerably more time and money making a more consistent and better shooting product than them. And based on my sales figures year over year, each year my sales about doubles. So thats gotta hurt AE and KSC at least in Canada. This year we'll be selling more into the northern US. At most the Canadian dollar will remain at par or will dip down when you actually exchange it, so even if they price match, once you add duty, taxes and shipping, Bastards are still a better deal both dollar wise and quality wise.

I've always bet on airsofters who prefer to pay perhaps one or two dollars more on a bag in order to get a better product.

Also, I unlike AE, KSC, et al. I don't have to answer to airsofters with jammed and broken guns due to shit materials, compression manufacturing, and shattered BBs due to widespread distribution of airbubbles in the substrate. I'd rather pay a little more and charge a little more to avoid those phone calls. Unlike those makes, you guys have my name, phone number and address - I am not some anonymous Hong Kong ricebag pusher who suddenly doesn't know who you are when you have a complaint.

you should put that on your site as your mission statement along with a link to this page so everyone can see it.