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Styrak · February 9th, 2007, 14:58

Nice post. I pretty much agree with that. It's a fucking TOY. Sure it can be used to annoy people, and can hurt people in shot in the eyes, etc, but you can also hurt someone with a nerf gun if you shoot them in the eye.

Kusiami · February 9th, 2007, 16:26

My mind has officially been changed on the subject.

Pip · February 9th, 2007, 16:46

I would support a move to have a PAL to buy/use airsoft, but at the same time unless all methods of buying them start using this syestem and checking id's there is nothing we can do..Plus it would have to be written into legislation, meaning we bring airsoft to the attention of the govening bodies (not that it isn't already but there would have to be affirmative action towards ammending/adding to legislation).

Zekk05 · February 9th, 2007, 17:07

The idea of bringing the PAL into the equation isnt to keep kids from getting guns. That will always happen, there will always be problems. Im sure we will see at least 10 more cases of airsoft guns in school this year, and , if we ever enact the PAL idea, 10 cases in the year following.

the idea of bringing in the PAL is to include the government in the sport, let them feel as if they have some kind of control or grasp over it, so when shit Does happen, like this, they will say "Just kids breaking the law, arrest them" instead of "kids abusing a toy, ban the toy"

Styrak · February 9th, 2007, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zekk05

so when shit Does happen, like this, they will say "Just kids breaking the law, arrest them" instead of "kids abusing a toy, ban the toy"

Indeed. A good point. Get the disease, not the symptom.

Koopa · February 9th, 2007, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zekk05

The idea of bringing the PAL into the equation isnt to keep kids from getting guns. That will always happen, there will always be problems. Im sure we will see at least 10 more cases of airsoft guns in school this year, and , if we ever enact the PAL idea, 10 cases in the year following.

the idea of bringing in the PAL is to include the government in the sport, let them feel as if they have some kind of control or grasp over it, so when shit Does happen, like this, they will say "Just kids breaking the law, arrest them" instead of "kids abusing a toy, ban the toy"

No.. no PALs. And you're equating kids being arrested with banning toys? WTF?

Orvis · February 12th, 2007, 14:00

I'm playing devil's advocate here.
You have to look at Airsoft from the general public's point of view and the reality of how firearms and firearm related items are viewed here in Canada.

The simple fact is even though we consider these things toys, they are 1:1 scale replicas of the real deal. They look and feel like real guns and as such, they should be treated like real guns.

If you haul one out in public, neither joe public nor the authorities are going to see a toy, they are going to see a gun and perceive the threat as real.
Put yourself in the shoes of the LEO.
You respond to a call, only to come upon a person holding a handgun. The person aims the handgun at you or someone else. What will you do? Will you ponder whether or not the gun is a airsoft or a real gun? No, you will see a real gun and treat it as a real threat to you life.
The "airsoft is a toy" excuse just doesn't cut it.

Adding Airsoft guns to the PAL might help to stem SOME of the morons from doing this sort of thing, but other characters, and those with less than honouorable intentions, will just look for alternative ways of getting them (getting them from the US or other illegal ways. We all know it can be done and has been done.)
Therefore, adding them to the PAL would not solve that problem.

IMO, the Canadian Government would not be willing to spend countless dollars and resources, to classify Airsoft guns on a PAL when these items are already pretty much deemed prohibited anyways (yes, I know there is a grey area here regarding where Airsoft guns fall.)
At any rate, if there were classed as non prohibited devices, I see the government just amending the law to include them as prohibited devices, instead of spending the time, money, and effort to add them to the CFC database.
Let's face it, in the eyes of the government, they have enough to deal with the registration of real firearms. Do you think they would be willing to spend their precious resources on classifying Airsoft guns on a PAL too?

szetor · February 13th, 2007, 22:44

people like this really set a bad image for the airsoft scene.

it would be sweet if this sport can be more widespread through out canada.

Armyissue · February 14th, 2007, 00:23

You PC bastrads fk with everything. I came in here looking for a 'stupid newfie joke' or was i wrong about the title "Irresponsile NewFoundlander"

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February 9th, 2007, 14:58	#31
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Nice post. I pretty much agree with that. It's a fucking TOY. Sure it can be used to annoy people, and can hurt people in shot in the eyes, etc, but you can also hurt someone with a nerf gun if you shoot them in the eye. __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

February 14th, 2007, 00:23	#39
Armyissue Administrator of Pants Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Port Credit	You PC bastrads fk with everything. I came in here looking for a 'stupid newfie joke' or was i wrong about the title "Irresponsile NewFoundlander" __________________ *** * * * * * * * F i n d - a n - A g e - V e r i f i e r * * * * * * ***

February 9th, 2007, 16:26	#32
Kusiami Banned Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sudbury, ON	My mind has officially been changed on the subject.

February 9th, 2007, 17:07	#34
Zekk05 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winnipeg	The idea of bringing the PAL into the equation isnt to keep kids from getting guns. That will always happen, there will always be problems. Im sure we will see at least 10 more cases of airsoft guns in school this year, and , if we ever enact the PAL idea, 10 cases in the year following. the idea of bringing in the PAL is to include the government in the sport, let them feel as if they have some kind of control or grasp over it, so when shit Does happen, like this, they will say "Just kids breaking the law, arrest them" instead of "kids abusing a toy, ban the toy"

February 12th, 2007, 14:00	#37
Orvis Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leduc, AB	I'm playing devil's advocate here. You have to look at Airsoft from the general public's point of view and the reality of how firearms and firearm related items are viewed here in Canada. The simple fact is even though we consider these things toys, they are 1:1 scale replicas of the real deal. They look and feel like real guns and as such, they should be treated like real guns. If you haul one out in public, neither joe public nor the authorities are going to see a toy, they are going to see a gun and perceive the threat as real. Put yourself in the shoes of the LEO. You respond to a call, only to come upon a person holding a handgun. The person aims the handgun at you or someone else. What will you do? Will you ponder whether or not the gun is a airsoft or a real gun? No, you will see a real gun and treat it as a real threat to you life. The "airsoft is a toy" excuse just doesn't cut it. Adding Airsoft guns to the PAL might help to stem SOME of the morons from doing this sort of thing, but other characters, and those with less than honouorable intentions, will just look for alternative ways of getting them (getting them from the US or other illegal ways. We all know it can be done and has been done.) Therefore, adding them to the PAL would not solve that problem. IMO, the Canadian Government would not be willing to spend countless dollars and resources, to classify Airsoft guns on a PAL when these items are already pretty much deemed prohibited anyways (yes, I know there is a grey area here regarding where Airsoft guns fall.) At any rate, if there were classed as non prohibited devices, I see the government just amending the law to include them as prohibited devices, instead of spending the time, money, and effort to add them to the CFC database. Let's face it, in the eyes of the government, they have enough to deal with the registration of real firearms. Do you think they would be willing to spend their precious resources on classifying Airsoft guns on a PAL too?

February 13th, 2007, 22:44	#38
szetor Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Edmonton, AB	people like this really set a bad image for the airsoft scene. it would be sweet if this sport can be more widespread through out canada.

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