July 3rd, 2016, 02:03 | #31 |
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Lots of interesting information in here. I definitely don't plan on buying NODs for a while if at all, but what might be a useful addition is a summary section that makes suggestions based on budget. Ie) if I have a 3k, 4k or 5k budget what is the recommended setup, what should I prioritize? This would give readers who want NODs a benchmark budget so they know what to expect.
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July 3rd, 2016, 03:04 | #32 |
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gen3 will be 2800-4k for a monocular
gen2 anywhere from 1000-3000ish (anything under 1800 isn't very good, anything under 1400 is pure garbage, 2000 is the right area, above that is just options like autogating) gen1 in the $50-$700ish range, should really stay away from anything that isn't top end if you're buying gen1 And don't forget to add in the hardware you're going to use to mount it; $200 gen1 riflescope kit, $150 weapon mount bracket for PVS-14, $260 helmet + $120 rhino mount + $40 counterweight pouch, etc. |
July 3rd, 2016, 12:19 | #33 | |
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2000 - 4000+ Typical monocular, decent gen2+ on low end, auto gated gen 3 on high end. Mounting Hardware: 100 - 1000+ Shitty USGI Rhino and J arm on low end, G24, AKA2, INVG + J-arm or Dual Dovetail on high end. Optic (you want either this or a laser, this is more important IMO): 200 - 1000+ Holoson on low end, Aimpoint on high end. There is a lot of in between such as Vortex, EOTech, Trijicon etc. Of course you can also spend more and get a thermal optic, Elcan Spectre, ITL MARS etc. but that stuff isn't very common. Laser (optional but nice to have, prioritize an optic): 200 - 2000+ Lasermax pistol laser on low end, ATPIAL-C on high. Expensive shit has other functions such as visible laser and IR illuminator as well. For just a laser, 200 - 1k with an OTAL on the high end of the price range. Between 1k and 2k you get shit with illumination or visible, so DBAL, CQBL etc. 1k - don't waste your 1k 2k - don't waste your 2k 3k - Gen 2+ Photonis tube, USGI Rhino and J Arm, Holosun optic 4k - Low end Gen 3 tube, USGI Rhino and J Arm, Holosun optic 5k+ - Choose your own shit. |
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July 3rd, 2016, 12:34 | #34 |
Truly, if you have to ask "How much?", you probably can't afford it. Old saying that rings true for virtually everything.
Of more importance than cost is availability. You can't take your newly-minted gold Visa into Cabela's or even ebay and just buy an IR laser and an Insight Night Enforcer PVS-14. These items are ITAR prohibited, the DoS is not issuing export permits for those. It is not like exporting a stock or Eotech sight that is regulated, but still exportable. Every one of these things in Canada is grey-market, and was either illegally exported or sold in violation of an export permit to a company or agency, whether in Canada oroverseas. They are perfectly legal to possess in Canada, as well as in the US (if you are a citizen), but crossing the border is a felony. So, simply saying "I want night vision" means the goid stuff ranges from very hard/expensive to get to unobtanium, unless you want to settle for Russian tubes in modern chassis, or you source outside of ITAR and are prepared to pay huge money. This is far more important than "how much for a decent setup", and belies the fact that buying new is impossible for the average guy.
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July 3rd, 2016, 13:20 | #35 | |
Out of interest, does anybody have experience with Russian Gen 2 / 3 stuff?
Had the opportunity to buy a tube a while ago, but had such little information about the quality that I passed.
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July 4th, 2016, 00:41 | #36 | |
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July 29th, 2016, 21:53 | #37 | |
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I don't agee with your choices of Vortex / holosun. I had a Vortex Viper PST 2015 manufacture with 3 NV settings. NV settings were not usable with Gen 3 NV. The light coming from the optic was like a light saber. I would say their is a 100% chance that you would burn in the your NODS with the VIPER, (running gen 3 OMNI VII). for Optics, its get mil grade or GTFO, Eotech, aimpoint, trijicon, Elcan etc. |
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July 30th, 2016, 01:26 | #38 | |
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November 10th, 2016, 12:10 | #39 |
With the 5+ PVS14s floating on the Classifieds right now and various other channels, I've gotten a lot of inquiries about spec sheets and autogating.
Spec sheets - these will be accompanying commercially-bought units (eg: TNVC typically, or units sent in for testing through companies like Ident Marking). Please stop asking for them for mil-surp units. That having been said, mil-surp units will have contract numbers stamped on the tube itself and visible through the ocular assembly through the viewing windows, so these can be matched up to a particular timeframe and corresponding OMNI spec. Autogating - Autogated units emit a faint hunt when powered on, so it's easy to find out whether or not a particular unit is autogated. The current CAD price (at the time of me writing this) for any blem-free autogated unit starts at about $3400 for a comm-spec unit and goes up from there for OMNI 7 and filmless tubes, up to over $4300+. If you are able to find one for lower than these stated prices then either 1) You're getting a hella deal; or 2) The seller hasn't accurately described the item and you should do some fact-checking. OMNI 7 vs 8 - You honestly won't be able to tell a difference. Here's a quick and dirty pricing guide, assuming all tubes are blem-free. Adjust pricing accordingly.
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November 10th, 2016, 13:56 | #40 |
Just a matter of opinion here steve,
In your opinion does a comm-spec blem free omni 7 vs a milsurp (genuine or off the back of a truck) have any difference in price? We know what the minimum specification is for mil spec units, but the comm-specs with genuine data sheets can have specs far above the mean (or minimum standard) called for in milspec. I would also add that blemishes in the outer edges really don't affect price nearly as much as blemishes in the "A" zone or centre.
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November 10th, 2016, 15:14 | #41 |
When I consider the price of a autogated tube i generally take the cost of that tube without gating and add 400-600$ to the price tag, because thats the typical cost to add autogating to a tube.
good point Steve on omni tubes not coming with spec sheets, ive updated this thread to state that and im including here and where ive stated a chart of the typical specs of contract tubes http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_18/31...fferences.html EDIT: this is what I have added: *it should be noted that contract tubes (typically will be advertised as "omni <insert roman numerals/number here> ex: pvs-14 omni 4/ pvs-14 omni IV) do not have data sheets instead the different contracts (omni's) had to meet specific specifications, each batch of a specific omni run may or may not have had a different requirment, the following chart can serve as a baseline or average reference for each contract, but your specific tube may be above or slightly below this outline. Notes about contract tubes: -omni I, II, III tubes are hard if not impossible to find and are not worth your time and money if you manage to find one, modern day gen 2 is superior in almost every aspect (except photosensitivity) -omni VII tubes may also be referred to as "pinnical" or "filmless" -omni VIII tubes may be referred to as filmless or pinnical and are often incorrectly reffered to as "gen 4" -it should be noted that omni VII and later tubes almost always come with autogating due to the fragility of the tube, which is both more fragile in its potential to be harmed by bright lights (although this is completely negated with autogating), and its physical resistance to shock (ex: recoil, being dropped), however omni VII + tubes produce greatly improved images Contract (omni) tube spec sheet reference: Last edited by BenG; November 10th, 2016 at 17:44.. |
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November 10th, 2016, 17:28 | #42 | |
OMNI VII is where "filmless" first appears, as well as "thin-filmed". It is the These tubes that are labelled as "gen 4"
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November 10th, 2016, 19:23 | #43 |
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Interestingly enough, OMNI V is actually where they first introduced thin-film and filmless tubes under MX-10160B/AVS-6.
There's also 2 thin film ITT tubes and 1 filmless litton tube in OMNI VI. The contract specifications of OMNI V are lower than OMNI VI, but due to the lack of spec sheets, that doesn't mean you couldn't have better performing tubes in OMNI V than OMNI VI. Allegedly NGEOS had a 2592 FOM tube in MX-10160B/AVS-6 boasting a wicked 36SNR, so that puts it in either OMNI V or OMNI VI. Keep in mind they were filling contracts out to a minimum spec, so it's very likely they could have released OMNI VII tech tubes during the OMNI VI contract. All the state department cares about is whether or not they meet the minimum spec. |
November 11th, 2016, 00:48 | #44 | |
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For pricing, I think you should listen to Steve. He has FAR more experience than you. Contract specs are MINIMUM specs. Not average specs, MINIMUM. Contract tubes are guaranteed to be above those specs. Tubes that do not meet those specs are not delivered under that contract. They are also not "advertised" as OMNI whatever, they will have the tube model and contract number engraved on the tube housing - delivered under an OMNI contract. Just because one OMNI contract had higher specs than another doesn't mean one is necessarily better than the other. You can view it be removing the ocular lens, or putting the lens in light and looking in sideways. That chart is a good reference, however it is not entirely correct. I have a MX-10160C. The contract number is DAAB07-02-C-J008 and according to the table is OMNI IV, but it is actually OMNI VI. Not all OMNI VII and VIII tubes are Pinnacle nor filmless tubes. OMNI VIII was not incorrectly referred to as Gen 4, filmless is sometimes referred to as Gen 4 and OMNI VII replaced Gen 4. OMNI VIII specs are actually lower than VII because the specs were too high and production goals were not being met. Auto gating does NOT completely negate damage from high light. It limits/reduces it. You can still burn out an auto gated tube. If I recall, the purpose of auto gating was to improve performance under dynamic lighting conditions/reduce bloom, for filmless tubes it prevents damage from ion poisoning. Last edited by pestobanana; November 11th, 2016 at 00:52.. |
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November 11th, 2016, 02:03 | #45 | |
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Im not disputing steves pricing, im simply saying that typically if you compare a set of identical tubes one with autogating, and one without the autogated tube is typically 400-600$ and if you find places that offer autogating as an option is is typically in the 400-600$ price range. Almost all of the pvs-14s currently on ASC are being advertised by there contracts... Additionally, im fully aware that contracts tubes must pass a minimum spec, that chart as you have so keenly noticed is not the minimum specs for specific contracts so it actually may serve as a rough average or rough baseline for said contracts, which is why I stated that, the context is key. yes your right omni VIII was not incorrectly reffered to as gen 4 by manufactures, but often is mistaken for gen 4 by the average consumer, which is what I was implying. I cant dispute your last point, autogating is not a gaurentee of durability of a tube when exposed to large amounts of light BUT it does completely negate the difference in fragility between newer more fragile tubes and older more robust tubes (in terms of damage from bright light), in my context again it makes sense. Last edited by BenG; November 11th, 2016 at 02:29.. |
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