Black Hawk Down Snipers????

swat2 · June 14th, 2005, 21:22

I know that they where trying to secure and defend the crash site but why would they ever send two snipers down agaisnt giant mooobs? ( atleast in the movie)

Goldman · June 14th, 2005, 21:28

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Originally Posted by swat2

I know that they where trying to secure and defend the crash site but why would they ever send two snipers down agaisnt giant mooobs? ( atleast in the movie)

Shugart and Gordon voulenteerd to go down and try to secure the site until the ground convoy arrived. The two probably thought they convoy (Strukers Column went back out for Durant IIRC) would arrive soon, and they would be able to hold off the mob by select targeting...

Bigmatty · June 14th, 2005, 22:24

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Originally Posted by Tripcee

m-21 is simply an m-14 with a scope attached to it....thats it.

err...no its not simply an M14 with a scope on it......

pugs144 · June 14th, 2005, 22:42

From www.snipercentral.com:

The M25/XM25 is a joint venture sniper rifle, built for both the US Army Special Forces and the US Navy SEALs. It was orginally developed by the 10th SFG base at Ft. Devens in response to a requirement for a match grade M14 for Special Forces sniper teams. USSOCCOM was dubbing the rifle the "Light Sniper Rifle", and its also known as the "Sniper Security System" and "Product Improved M21".
The M25 is similar to the M21 in many regards, its a National Match M14 glass bedded in a McMillan fiberglass stock, uses a special gas piston, a National Match spring guide and a BPT (Brookfield Precision Tool) Advanced Scope Mounting System. Most rifles use the B&L 10x Tactical scope. Some of the Army rifles use some of the Leupold Ultra MK4 series of scopes. (Both the M3 and M1), and the Navy rifles have been seen with Leupolds also (MK4s and VariX-III LR M3s). Ops Inc suppressors have also been used on some of the rifles.

Bunny · June 16th, 2005, 00:55

More in-depth comparison here:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/pr...m1a-stan.shtml
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m21.shtml
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m25.shtml
Not to mention the possibility of any of hundreds of third-party mods, Fulton Armory, etc.

Notice who supplied the pic of the two snipers to the Medal of Honor page I posted above? Lee Van Arsdale. Another 'Delta guy' (no, really) who was there 'that day', and was also the consultant to the movie. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1388339/?...g__;fc=1;ft=20

captainafternoon · June 24th, 2005, 12:27

OK. Ive seen this movie several times and its one of my favourites but i could be wrong... I believe the gun Shugart was using is an m14 with some type of scope on it. I got some screens from the movie ill let everyone decide:

D_oo_S · June 24th, 2005, 17:54

Looks like a aimpoint model to me.

Bunny · June 24th, 2005, 18:19

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Originally Posted by Bunny

For the record, in the movie he has an aimpoint on a brookfield mount. Good luck ever finding the mount.

From earlier in the thread...

edit: I just noticed something else, in those pics the rifle has a selector switch, which is apparently absent on the m21/25 (or is it still there but not functional?) -so at least in the movie we can say that he's carrying an m14 with the scope/mount I mentioned above.

nightcloud · August 17th, 2006, 14:54

its an M14, the recoil is quite heavy on that rifle because of the 308. cal
I think the M14 is one of the best rifles of all time along with the FN Fal

Goldman · August 17th, 2006, 16:55

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Originally Posted by nightcloud

its an M14, the recoil is quite heavy on that rifle because of the 308. cal
I think the M14 is one of the best rifles of all time along with the FN Fal

Holy Necropost batman.

Trader rating · August 17th, 2006, 17:15

M21/25s also contain match grade barrels. Shughart's rifle in BHD had an Aimpoint sight, but in real life Shuhart did not use an Aimpoint, because they werent invented yet.

Goldman · August 17th, 2006, 17:31

Handicapper, you are incorrect, the Aimpoint Comp came to be in early '93.

http://www.aimpoint.com/o.o.i.s?id=4...&product_id=78

Launched 1993

Since the pistol shooting and above all, the Practical shooting (IPSC) increased during 1993, a smaller and lighter sight intended for handguns, Aimpoint Comp, was developed.

nightcloud · August 18th, 2006, 18:30

in that one scene if you watch closely that M14 becomes a M16 I think it was an editing error

R.A.T.M._JLD · August 18th, 2006, 18:54

No he was using one of the crew of the down Hawk guns. But if you watch just be for the Delta sniper (not sure if it was Gordon or Shughart that went donw first) gives Mike Durant the M4 he is alread holding the M4 on his lap.

nightcloud · August 18th, 2006, 18:59

lol not that scene there is a scene where the guy with the M14 is shooting at the enemy and the scene changes and he's still shooting but this time he has an M16

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June 16th, 2005, 00:55	#35
Bunny Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver BC	More in-depth comparison here: http://www.springfield-armory.com/pr...m1a-stan.shtml http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m21.shtml http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m25.shtml Not to mention the possibility of any of hundreds of third-party mods, Fulton Armory, etc. Notice who supplied the pic of the two snipers to the Medal of Honor page I posted above? Lee Van Arsdale. Another 'Delta guy' (no, really) who was there 'that day', and was also the consultant to the movie. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1388339/?...g__;fc=1;ft=20 __________________ BCAC كافر ---------------------- Read Stephen Taylor here Those who trade liberty for safety will ultimately deprive themselves of both.

August 17th, 2006, 14:54	#39
nightcloud Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: winnipeg	its an M14, the recoil is quite heavy on that rifle because of the 308. cal I think the M14 is one of the best rifles of all time along with the FN Fal __________________ Plans are a list of things that don't happen...........

August 17th, 2006, 17:31	#42
Goldman Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto	Handicapper, you are incorrect, the Aimpoint Comp came to be in early '93. http://www.aimpoint.com/o.o.i.s?id=4...&product_id=78 Launched 1993 Since the pistol shooting and above all, the Practical shooting (IPSC) increased during 1993, a smaller and lighter sight intended for handguns, Aimpoint Comp, was developed. __________________ Maybe you'll find someone else to help you. Maybe black mesa... THAT WAS A JOKE, ha ha, fat chance. My Buy/Sell 1337ness rating

June 14th, 2005, 21:22	#31
swat2 Banned Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: canada- ns	I know that they where trying to secure and defend the crash site but why would they ever send two snipers down agaisnt giant mooobs? ( atleast in the movie)

June 14th, 2005, 22:42	#34
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	From www.snipercentral.com: The M25/XM25 is a joint venture sniper rifle, built for both the US Army Special Forces and the US Navy SEALs. It was orginally developed by the 10th SFG base at Ft. Devens in response to a requirement for a match grade M14 for Special Forces sniper teams. USSOCCOM was dubbing the rifle the "Light Sniper Rifle", and its also known as the "Sniper Security System" and "Product Improved M21". The M25 is similar to the M21 in many regards, its a National Match M14 glass bedded in a McMillan fiberglass stock, uses a special gas piston, a National Match spring guide and a BPT (Brookfield Precision Tool) Advanced Scope Mounting System. Most rifles use the B&L 10x Tactical scope. Some of the Army rifles use some of the Leupold Ultra MK4 series of scopes. (Both the M3 and M1), and the Navy rifles have been seen with Leupolds also (MK4s and VariX-III LR M3s). Ops Inc suppressors have also been used on some of the rifles.

June 24th, 2005, 12:27	#36
captainafternoon mrlexmark Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Oakville, Ontario	OK. Ive seen this movie several times and its one of my favourites but i could be wrong... I believe the gun Shugart was using is an m14 with some type of scope on it. I got some screens from the movie ill let everyone decide:

August 17th, 2006, 17:15	#41
Handicapper Guest Trader rating	M21/25s also contain match grade barrels. Shughart's rifle in BHD had an Aimpoint sight, but in real life Shuhart did not use an Aimpoint, because they werent invented yet.

August 18th, 2006, 18:30	#43
nightcloud Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: winnipeg	in that one scene if you watch closely that M14 becomes a M16 I think it was an editing error __________________ Plans are a list of things that don't happen...........

August 18th, 2006, 18:54	#44
R.A.T.M._JLD Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Prince George, BC	No he was using one of the crew of the down Hawk guns. But if you watch just be for the Delta sniper (not sure if it was Gordon or Shughart that went donw first) gives Mike Durant the M4 he is alread holding the M4 on his lap. __________________

August 18th, 2006, 18:59	#45
nightcloud Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: winnipeg	lol not that scene there is a scene where the guy with the M14 is shooting at the enemy and the scene changes and he's still shooting but this time he has an M16 __________________ Plans are a list of things that don't happen...........

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