Hi-Capa - SVI Strayer-Voigt Infinity Firearms Duo Tone Sight Tracker with Butler Stirrup Cut

[Daiviet]

I think you need to polish the trigger silver, then it should probably look fine

[RacingManiac]

Silver trigger probably will add some contrast to it...

btw would you get special pricing if you had them make 2 of these frame in steel...

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Daiviet

I think you need to polish the trigger silver, then it should probably look fine

I actually HAVE one here in silver, but I stuck to the black one, because the real one I was modeling this from has a black trigger:

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

btw would you get special pricing if you had them make 2 of these frame in steel...

hmm... it's possible. Hit me by PM if you're interested. Let's see what we can do.

Actually... nevermind. No, it can't be done.

(I want to be the only one with this sweet ass build.... pwuahahaha)

[RacingManiac]

all I want is a heavier frame...I'll stay away from the alloy grip...I promise....lol

Might just get a AS spec steel frame....not anytime soon though...gotta finish my M4 first...

[ILLusion]

in due time... i'm nowhere near being able to purchase it yet. The ideas brewing in my head right now are a bit scary.

[RacingManiac]

its a painful feeling that eats away your inside? lol

[Thenooblord]

That gun is pure sex... lmao

[the4thpower3]

Illusion and Racing Maniac - you two are confusing me.

Were you guys talking about the new SVI or STI Steel or Aluminum Grip?
Or just a regular SVI polymer grip?
Either way, it won't work. I'll make a list as to why if you want.

You could do one or two things to get a close replica grip.
For the SVI medallions:
You have Captain KK custom cut you some TM grips for the SVI medallions.
Then you can use either the SD sticker SVI medallions or use ProG4's aluminum CNC's medallions. Then use TruGrip Grip tape.
For the trigger guard screws:
You can drill out the fake plastic heads off the stock TM grip, then glue on the SD screw heads.
OR, if you are really gonna get a steel upper frame, then you should get the custom frame/grip set. It has the trigger guard drilled out to use real trigger guard grip screws and attachment, instead of the normal TM screw through the top of the frame setup.

Real Steel SVI or STI magwells DO fit stock TM grips. They require a little fitting on the back sides, but not much. I have a real steel magwell on my race gun.

I'm pretty sure the sight tracker is tack welded from the inside to the barrel.

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Yeah, "Sight Tracker" is just SVI's terminology for the technology that keeps the front sight stable and not moving relative to the barrel.

I think you meant that the "sight tracker" is way the sight is mounted to the barrel (rather than the normal slide mounted sight). It keeps the sight from moving with the slide.


I still love the Dual Stainless Mags with 5.1 bases. I wish I had the money to do that. I was thinking I would do the same thing when I need to get new mags, but now they got those 50 rnd mags coming out! I want the 50 rnd mags instead

What mag pouches are you using?
And what is the Butler Stirrup Cut you are referring to in your title?
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like I'm detail picking.
That is a hot ass replica. And it would be awesome if you had a matching Open upper for it.

[RacingManiac]

The 3 stripe(like Adidas? lol) cut on the front serration that extend down to the frame from slide, I think the name referred to that was the Butler style cut...

personally I don't need RS grip, but I want a steel frame down the line....heh

[the4thpower3]

I thought those were Xcelerator or FreeForm Cuts... one of the two.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by the4thpower3

Were you guys talking about the new SVI or STI Steel or Aluminum Grip?
Or just a regular SVI polymer grip?
Either way, it won't work. I'll make a list as to why if you want.

I'm talking about the new SVI Steel grip. RacingManiac is talking about the SVI polymer grip.
Please explain why it won't work. I'd like to see your list, because I believe I already have all of the issues covered. It does require a bit more extra components besides the custom frame & real grip, including the trigger guard cross bolts and custom mag catch.
Not really going to give any more details of the conversion yet, till I get it done.

Originally Posted by the4thpower3

You could do one or two things to get a close replica grip.
For the SVI medallions:
You have Captain KK custom cut you some TM grips for the SVI medallions.
Then you can use either the SD sticker SVI medallions or use ProG4's aluminum CNC's medallions. Then use TruGrip Grip tape.
For the trigger guard screws:
You can drill out the fake plastic heads off the stock TM grip, then glue on the SD screw heads.

This was what I was originally going to do till my head spun with ideas and worked some things out. I even have the TruGrip sitting here and collecting dust. I probably won't use it anymore if I can get this project done right.
It all started with an obscure post in a Japanese airsoft forum.

Originally Posted by the4thpower3

I think you meant that the "sight tracker" is way the sight is mounted to the barrel (rather than the normal slide mounted sight). It keeps the sight from moving with the slide.

Is that not just a paraphrase of what I said? The front sight is not moving relative to the barrel... because it's attached to the barrel.

Originally Posted by the4thpower3

What mag pouches are you using?

3x CR Speed
1x Ghost

Originally Posted by the4thpower3

And what is the Butler Stirrup Cut you are referring to in your title?
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like I'm detail picking.

I believe it refers to the shortened scallop cut on the slide mated to the extended angled dust cover. I've tried researching the term for a while, and found no direct explanations, but it seems like "Butler Stirrup Cut" or "Butler Style Stirrup Cut" are always terms linked to builds that have the features I just described.

I agree, with your terminology on the "Xcelerator Fluting" - I've seen SVI refer to the matched slide/frame serrations as "Xcelerator fluting" or "FreeForm Cuts", which is why I did not think that was the "Butler Stirrup Cut."

[safx]

Are the Hicapa Master's light sabers coming out?

[the4thpower3]

Originally Posted by safx

Are the Hicapa Master's light sabers coming out?

Actually, Illusion is one of my favorite people to talk to and bounce around ideas. There aren't many people into Hi-Capa's as we are. We're not picking fights - we're picking brains...

Illusion-
I still think your statement about the sight tracker is confusing. I believe the front sight DOES move relative to the barrel because it is attached to the barrel. It does NOT move relative to the slide, because it is attached to the barrel.
...Doesn't really matter to me, I understand what you meant. I just want to make sure others understand.

So my "list" as to why the real steel grip won't work was just a euphemism.
And I hastily stated that it won't work...I meant that it would be a LOT of work + money to do it well...if at all.
I didn't really want to go into details. But.....
I assume the Japanese article you are referring to is this? :
http://www.media-juggler.co.jp/~tak/...APA/index.html

I think that is just a sloppy hack job on a $120.00 + grip. And a Steel CNC'd grip - OMG those things are freakin $300 +
I just wouldn't want to waste that much money, to find out.
The real SVI trigger bow is not the same, and the sear/disconnector set up + leaf spring are all different than TM's design...actually, almost completely backwards. You'd basically need a machinist to do this job.
So unless Mr. Lam has already done this, I think you'd have some difficulty on your own.
But more power too you if you can succeed. That would be the most beastly custom ever!

I was thinking the same thing about the Butler Stirrup Cut.
It's kinda like a Commander cut, but even shorter, higher and a bit more angle.
I just can't find the "Butler Cut" on SVI's website. And from what I've read (hearsay), this was a custom cut designed by Taran Butler.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by the4thpower3

Actually, Illusion is one of my favorite people to talk to and bounce around ideas. There aren't many people into Hi-Capa's as we are. We're not picking fights - we're picking brains...

Don't mind Steve... he's just lonely because he has nobody to talk to about all his WAs. LOL

Originally Posted by the4thpower3

I still think your statement about the sight tracker is confusing. I believe the front sight DOES move relative to the barrel because it is attached to the barrel. It does NOT move relative to the slide, because it is attached to the barrel.

Your statement is illogical, as it seems my understanding of the word "relative" is reversed from your understanding of the word.

You stated:
"the front sight DOES move relative to the barrel because it is attached to the barrel.
It does NOT move relative to the slide, because it is attached to the barrel."

By saying that, you are in effect, saying to me:
"the front sight moves TO/FROM the barrel because it is attached to the barrel.
It moves WITH the slide, because it is attached to the barrel."

Both parts of that statement are logically impossible... because if the sight is attached to the barrel, how can it move to or from the barrel? And if it's attached to the barrel, how can it move with the slide if it is in fact, attached to the barrel?

To me, "relative" means "compared to, as a reference point." So if the sight is fixed to the barrel, then it's NOT moving relative to the barrel, but is moving relative to the slide. OR, it can also be proposed that the sight is not moving at all, is fixed, and the slide is doing the movement, relative to the barrel and the sight.

Another way of saying it with my understanding of the word is:
If I'm sitting on a bus headed towards a destination, I'm not moving anywhere relative to the seat in the bus. In fact, I'm just sitting right there. But relative to the DESTINATION, I am in fact, moving towards the destination (and by extension, so is the bus, since I am fixed to the bus through relativity.

And yet another way of saying it:
The Earth is constantly spinning and moving relative to the sun, and although the inhabitants and objects may be sitting still relative to the Earth, they are in fact moving at ALL times relative to the sun.

Any physics students want to back me up on this? lol.


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Anyways, onward...

Regarding that Japanese article, that one you linked isn't the one I saw... the one I saw actually showed off a custom Zeke conversion kit that allows the user to attach a real grip. Unsatisfied with the solution, I sought out a more permanent option, especially since the required parts for the conversion were so little and the mods to the grip/frame were so few that I didn't see why ProG4 COULDN'T just make a frame with all the changes required already implemented, along with the inclusion of the custom mag catch and the loop for the trigger guard to attach to.

So I queried Captain KK, and based on his response, it sounds like, Mr. Lam has in fact been able to fit real steel grips to a custom frame.

You are correct about the real Stirrup being different than the Marui one. Some notes passed on to me:

(1) The Marui Trigger & Stirrup will fit in to a real grip (a little tight but works.)
(2) The real trigger and trigger stirrupwill work with Marui Hi-Capa once the real grip is installed.

Based on the original article I read, there were only a few mods required in order to fit the Marui leaf spring, and as long as that's used, then you do not need to concern yourself with the way a real disconnector/sear works.

Regarding finding "Butler Stirrup Cut" on SVIGuns.com:

http://www.sviguns.com/showcase/i.php?indx=70