Bolt Not Locking W/ Zero Trigger

[Duff]

when you put your finger on the sear and pull your finger out if the receiver, does the sear move?

Im just curios is the sear will let the cylinder move back enough to for the sear to catch. If its jammed for some reason then it will prevent the cylinder from sliding back all the way.

But now that I think about it, if you can remove and re-insert the cylinder, then that should not be the issue.

[gerardcb]

Originally Posted by Duff

when you put your finger on the sear and pull your finger out if the receiver, does the sear move?

Im just curios is the sear will let the cylinder move back enough to for the sear to catch. If its jammed for some reason then it will prevent the cylinder from sliding back all the way.

But now that I think about it, if you can remove and re-insert the cylinder, then that should not be the issue.

When i push the sear, it doesnt move. When push the sear and press the trigger, it moves and folds forward. When i pull the sear to me, it folds inward.


I've just found out something else. I put in the marui spring, then the 130 spring. With the springs, it locks back! Despite still the rough bolt pull. Then i put in the 150...it doesnt lock back again.

I have a feeling the rough bolt pull plays a part in the problem...just a thought...

[lemegacool]

maybe the 150 spring is too long... i bought a couple springs for my vsr10 (no 0trigger) and when i tried the 150 spring it wouldn't lock back either! 130 is fine but 150 not and is hard like a mothe*****ker to pull

just my 2 cents...

[gerardcb]

Originally Posted by lemegacool

maybe the 150 spring is too long... i bought a couple springs for my vsr10 (no 0trigger) and when i tried the 150 spring it wouldn't lock back either! 130 is fine but 150 not and is hard like a mothe*****ker to pull

just my 2 cents...

Do you have the neo piston? And u sure it really doesnt lock back? U sure its not that u didnt pull the bolt fully?

[lemegacool]

no ...stock piston... but yes i slammed it backward and wouldn't catch! maybe it not that the problem though... was just making a point

[Erennert]

I don't think you really listened to Bean, but heres what he meant

Originally Posted by bean

Problem solving.
Low fps for a setup that should be much higher
1.Check your cylinder for compression. Cock the gun and place your finger over the cylinder head. Fire the gun. The cylinder should not move unless you remove your finger.
2.If it does move this could mean a bad seal from your cylinder head. Remove your cylinder head and place teflon tape on the threads and screw back in. If you have the cylinder head pro do the same for the adjustable nozzle. Then repeat the test.
3.If its not compression it could be the internals. If you leave the gun cocked for a long period of time it can ruin the spring. However this shouldn't cause a huge problem. More often then not this is attributed to the high pressure piston from the zero trigger set.
4.If you still have your original piston the gun came with remove the oring from that one. Place it on the zero trigger one instead. The way the piston works is that air goes int he tiny holes int he piston head and push the oring out. However if you have to powerful of a spring this will cause air leaks around the oring. You just need a thicker oring. Worst comes to worst measure the oring and order a thicker one online.
5.Silent shaft the little white shaft that protrudes from the piston is a piece of garbage. Promptly cut it down or place the grub screw wrapped in teflon tape in place of it. It creates a pocket of air at the front of the cylinder when fired and by doing this makes the gun quieter. In the process though it dramatically drops speed of the round.
6. The pesky hopup that comes with the gun does not seal very well. Wrapping the inner barrel with teflon tape and then cutting around the hopup orifice to remove the stuff in the hole will create a better seal and boost fps. You can also get a new hopup bucking.

The rifle will not stay cocked or will not cock at all
1. If you installed the metal spring guide do this immediately. Unscrew the two halves of the spring guide and place teflon tape or threadlock in the screw groves. This will hopefully fix the problem. What was happening is that the base is being turned and coming unscrewed from the top. When the piston is pulled back in an attempt to cock the gun it hits the top of the spring guide and is unable to catch on the sear.
2.if you have to many spring tensioners installed the same problem as above will happen. Remove a couple and test.
3.If you are not using a zero trigger and this happens upgrade to the zero trigger and save yourself the heart ache. You likely wore down a sear and by the time you finish replacing everything you might as well have got it.
4.All of the above has been done however there has been no change. You may be having a problem with the sears engaging the piston. This will happen a lot in the hfc usr-11 the vsr clone. The receiver is made to large and the zero trigger sears wont catch on the piston. To fix this you may need to file down the receiver to allow the sears to catch. If you have no clue what you are doing do not attempt this under any circumstance. Give it to someone more experienced to look at. Remove the trigger guard and the rest of the rifle other then the receiver the trigger group and the cylinder. Try to cock the portion you have while looking in at where the sears are. You should notice that the sears are just moving up but not pushing down far enough engage. When you are filing do it bit by bit and keep testing.

I lost the little black cylinder from within the hopup unit
1.do not panic
2.take out a bic pen and remove the inc portion. If it is one of the old ones it should have a nice little plastic ink reservoir that looks much like the one within the vsr. Cut out the desired length and replace it in the gun.

Hope this helps.

[gerardcb]

Originally Posted by lemegacool

no ...stock piston... but yes i slammed it backward and wouldn't catch! maybe it not that the problem though... was just making a point

Ya i get u. thx for helping me. Well i just dnt think a sniper is useful unless it is atleast 500fps. I dunno how to acheive that with a 130 spring.

Have u also have had rough bolt pull?

[lemegacool]

i have a 130 in my rifle (mag brand) and i'm firing at 420 fps and my rifle is very effective! i'm firing .30g bb's

and yes hard bolt pulls and push!

[gerardcb]

Originally Posted by lemegacool

i have a 130 in my rifle (mag brand) and i'm firing at 420 fps and my rifle is very effective! i'm firing .30g bb's

and yes hard bolt pulls and push!

I mean like when you pull it is it rough. like do you feel like its not cycling right? Its like scraping?

[lemegacool]

no it's cycling very smoothly! cylinder is greased on the outside + i sanded all seam lines inside the receiver!

[gerardcb]

Originally Posted by lemegacool

no it's cycling very smoothly! cylinder is greased on the outside + i sanded all seam lines inside the receiver!

thats really odd then. Ya prolly the roughness plays a role in this too. Wat exactly did you sand down? What do you mean the seam lines?

[Erennert]

Gerard, if you are still having this problem, try looking at the several posts people have tried to help you with, but didn't see, by myself and Bean.

[gerardcb]

Originally Posted by Erennert

Gerard, if you are still having this problem, try looking at the several posts people have tried to help you with, but didn't see, by myself and Bean.

I've looked at every single post and tried everything including what you and Bean wer trying to tell me. Nothing seems to be effective.

Now, it doesnt lock back even with the 130 spring...

Both white rings are there btw. still...

[Amos]

My guess is you've re-assembled a spring backwards in your Zero trigger...

[gerardcb]

Originally Posted by Amos

My guess is you've re-assembled a spring backwards in your Zero trigger...

How would u guess that? Is that an exact guess? I mean a guess isnt perfect of course, but Like i really put backwards a spring lol? Is it possible you can specify the spring?

EDIT:
I just realized something. The Zero Trigger is jammed. When i push the sear and pull the trigger at the same time, it folds backwards but sometimes it doesnt go back to its place. Sometimes it stays folded back until i move it with my finger again.

I dunno wat is causing the jam.