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December 12th, 2008, 02:25 | #16 | |
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Without authorization from Industry Canada, Section 4.1 of the Radiocommunication Act prohibits anyone from possession, use, or installation of any radio apparatus not explicitly exempted by regulations. For some services such as aeronautical or amateur radio, this authorization comes in a two-part form: operator profficiency certificate, and radio station license for the aircraft/ham station radio equipment. Also, in order for an authorization to be granted either implicitly as in the license-exempt devices, or by means of an actual license issued by IC for the radio station, the radio equipment itself must also pass technical certification. The one notable exception to this certification requirement would be amateur radio equipment which by definition is designed and restricted to operating entirely within the designated amateur service bands only. All other radio equipment must pass certification/tech acceptance...period. Except amateur gear as noted above, all radio devices approved for use in Canada must either be certified against an existing RSS (Radio Standards Specification) or be certified as "technically acceptable". This is done to help ensure that sub-standard equipment (ie. cheap Chinese radio) doesn't make it into our radio environment and start causing harmful interference to other users by way of malfunction or other spurious emissions. For license-exempt, low-power devices such as FRS or GMRS radios, the applicable standard is RSS-210 and among other things, it specifies maximum ERP (effective radiated power) for both FRS and GMRS radios. Therefore without a specific license granted by Industry Canada to do so, if one were to use a radio with an ERP greater than what's specified in RSS-210 for GMRS or FRS radios, he or she would be operating outside the RSS-210 provisions, thus no longer meeting the license exemption criteria and so would be contravening S.4(1) of the Act. Linkage: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/R-2/index.html In summary: Unlike aeronautical or amateur service, for FRS/GMRS there's no requirement to hold an operator's certificate, and provided you use only RSS-210 certified radios, you don't need a radio station license to operate on the FRS/GMRS frequencies either. However, use of any other type of radio on FRS/GMRS frequencies would now require a license because the radio would become subject to certification under RSS-119 instead of RSS-210, and no license will be granted (required as per S.4(1) of the Act) unless the radio meets certification. Practically speaking though, even if the radio was RSS-119 certified, Industry Canada would not issue such a license because of the potential harmful interference inflicted upon existing license-exempt users from your higher-powered radio. So basically you've only got one (legal) choice: use a bona fide FRS/GMRS radio NOT an un-certified import or commercial-grade land-mobile radio. If this isn't clear enough, then please feel free to PM and I'll gladly explain further... Cheers! 'Fly
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Team GHOSTS - Fides et Amicitia G-68 "Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies, Tongue-tied and twisted Just an earth-bound misfit, I" Learning To Fly © 1986 Pink Floyd Last edited by FlyGuy; December 17th, 2008 at 02:26.. Reason: sp |
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December 12th, 2008, 02:56 | #17 |
I have the older model of these and they a great, far superior than anything you can get at your local futureshop/best buy. You can't select the wattage but you can set power consumption at low-medium-high. My only gripe with them, are that finding aftermarket headsets/mics is pretty hard as I have no clue what kind of connections they are. I know they are not kenwood. The original ones that came with mine were ok but not great, plus mine were waterproof, only resistant.
FlyGuy, thanks for the info but just and FYI, most of us understand the legal implications, but than most of us don't really think(care) of it, we are running around playing with prohibited devices after all. Last edited by T_A_N_K; December 12th, 2008 at 02:59.. |
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December 12th, 2008, 03:21 | #18 |
Tank, as you've been around here awhile I would expect you to be aware of the issues or legalities but contrary to your assertion that most people here on ASC are aware and don't actually care, the comments re. FCC, licensing, amateur, aeronautical certificate, etc. were so far off they did in fact show a startling lack of understanding on the part of at least a few in this message thread, and that is why I attempted to clarify. Better to explain it clearly so un-informed people fully understand than allow bad information to persist and potentially bad decisions made with that incorrect information. Once educated if they still choose to ignore, well...that's their perogative, at least until they cause enough interference to other radio users that phones start ringing in the nearest IC office. Until then, I really don't care much either. In this case, I am merely the informed messenger so please don't shoot.
'Fly
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Team GHOSTS - Fides et Amicitia G-68 "Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies, Tongue-tied and twisted Just an earth-bound misfit, I" Learning To Fly © 1986 Pink Floyd Last edited by FlyGuy; December 12th, 2008 at 03:27.. |
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December 12th, 2008, 17:50 | #19 |
Don't get me wrong, your information is really informative, its just I think, your probably speaking to deaf ears for the most part. Don't be discouraged from giving out information, or correcting others. Its just myself and I know many others use china brand radios that are not regulated and we don't give it a second thought.
Don't worry, Ill save my ammo for the Op For |
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April 2nd, 2009, 02:03 | #20 |
I have a set of 950 version of these (different color and a few more tones). They cut back to .5w on FRS channels (and you cannot set it higher) and you can set them to .5w 2.0w or 5.0w on GMRS channels. So they should not operate over the IC limit as long as you don't set them to high power setting on GMRS channels (keep em on L or M setting to stay legal)
Mini review: Plus+ Take 4 AA's for insane run time Lots of power Water/dust resistant Solid built Lots of extras (charger, mic, batt, ect) Mic jack is a standard Midland used on many pro radios so it's easy to find cool stuff for it Classic volume control knob is super easy to tweak Negatives- "Extra channels" above 22 are fake (gimmick) Bundled batt packs are made of 5aaa cells and cant pump good juice for a long time (sag under load so radio will fall back to L transmit setting) They are HUGE on size - may not fit in smaller rigs Receivers are not as sensitive as my old Motorola 6250 (newer Moto's are crap anyway though) Lack of the ability to specific battery type means that if you use your own rechargeable in it that it will always show 2/3 full even on fresh cells Scanning feature will not discover the squelch code so you cannot talk back to others you discover unless they are on XX,0 (something my Moto did and was great) Will answer other questions if you guys have em if you want. |
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April 2nd, 2009, 03:14 | #21 | |
I have a pair of midland radios rated to go 50KM (in optimal conditions) and I get about 2-3KM in forested areas. so I may be cautious if you are buying these.
EDIT: yes they are set to high positives: they are fairly small batteries last for about 6-10 days durable as hell Negitives: as stated above, range sucks in just about any condition 12 hour charge time (may be good - but it dies increadibly fast if you dont charge for at lesat that long) not too many others that i have noticed
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