M4 which one?

As far as I know the first version/batch of G&G rifles are shit, but the 2nd batch/version fixed the problems.

[vondnik]

What's with this sudden rash of must be metal or else it's shit.....What's the point of having a great looking car if the engine is shot...hum then again that might not be a great example...I've snapped anought bodies off guns( plastic and metal) to stick with plastic ones... mutch cheaper to replace...less of a headake to

[FOX_111]

Asside from the wobble problem fix, metal body don't offer a lot more other than the cold feeling or custom trademarks.

The plastic body look verymuch like metal minus the cold feel.

[vondnik]

Originally Posted by FOX_111

Asside from the wobble problem fix, metal body don't offer a lot more other than the cold feeling or custom trademarks.

The plastic body look verymuch like metal minus the cold feel.

metal bodies do not fix the barrel wobble problem....One piece outer barrel and modified chamber blocks do. How can a metal body solve a problem that the body does not generate...

[Rumpel Felt]

Originally Posted by vondnik

What's with this sudden rash of must be metal or else it's shit.....What's the point of having a great looking car if the engine is shot...hum then again that might not be a great example...I've snapped anought bodies off guns( plastic and metal) to stick with plastic ones... mutch cheaper to replace...less of a headake to

Heh, we think alot alike. I've used the exact same example except for the opposite purpose.

Buying a TM gun is like buying a car with no radio/audio device, heat or AC, any other special features etc. Sure it gets you around but is it something to take pride in?

The choice between plastic and metal is personal but I don't think most new people realize that when they are told to buy a TM, that it's going to be plastic and come with the bare minimum....a working AEG. I know I would have felt kinda licked if I found out about airsoft, bought this great new gun from the company said to be the best then found it to be plastic. Then again, that's just my opinion.

The way I see it, buy a non-TM gun if it comes full metal and with other goodies and IF it has an internal problem well, theres a good chance it would cost less to fix. Yeah yeah I know some guns are totally fubared but hey, I feel like less of a sucker getting new internals then a piece of metal or some other external add on.

Originally Posted by mcguyver

i don't know about that. i walked up on a guy with 475 fps spr and got stung once in the forehead from 20 feet. not only did it blast my skin open but it stunned me so that i didn't know my own name for a couple of seconds. imagine a new guy, scared, nervous and hoping to make a good showing to his new airsoft buddies, getting a little "buck fever" and opening up with 450 fps and emptying a full mag on someone's face. you can visualize the rest. needless to say there would be some discussion about it afterwards maybe "cool, good kill" but most likely " you f#@*&ng newb". many clubs either use minimum engagement distances or graduated fps levels to keep heads calm and bloodless. but then again a little blood-letting never REALLY hurt anyone. and i wasn't pissed when i got it, but the next time i told jesse i would get him back for that.

:innocent: keep in mind you charged me... and i did give ya a couple warning shots... was an awesome game though.

[vondnik]

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

Buying a TM gun is like buying a car with no radio/audio device, heat or AC, any other special features etc. Sure it gets you around but is it something to take pride in?

Pride does not get you 1000 miles in the rain.... Must be getting old as I don't like to walk as mutch as I used to. But as you said it's a personnal choice. I'll always take fonctionnability over looks anyday....But that's me. Out of my 8 AEG only two have metal bodies...One i bought used and was already installed the second one was scratch built and I had a real good deal on a metal body(been regretting it ever since..). The rest are stock TM bodies and I don't plan on changing any of them


And the way the military is going metal guns are a thing of the past.... Ever held a real G36 or SIG?

[Rumpel Felt]

True true. I've got nothing against plastic on real guns, I like the feel better anyways but I just can't stand a plastic body on a gun that is supposed to be metal. Ah well.

[Nortus]

Would you rather have a gun that will work well and last you a full playing day OR a gun that looks and feels great, but breaks on you half-way through the day?

Don't know about you, but a gun's primary objective is to shoot projectiles.

But of course, if you want it all, build your own full metal, TM mechbox-based gun! =)

[lt_poncho]

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

And remember that airsoft may look tough, paintball is still a little more hardcore, getting shot wise that is.

You only say that because you never experienced airsoft when they were using gas guns, or just a regular day with all the Pare's who play down in the Phillipines.

Perspective is everything. You need some more.

[FOX_111]

Originally Posted by vondnik

metal bodies do not fix the barrel wobble problem....One piece outer barrel and modified chamber blocks do. How can a metal body solve a problem that the body does not generate...

Then it's all about the cold feel :smack:

[F34N0R]

getting a reliable ICS is like flipping a coin. GG, CA and GP have their own problems. Go for TM if you just want to change your aeg

[Rumpel Felt]

Originally Posted by lt_poncho

You only say that because you never experienced airsoft when they were using gas guns, or just a regular day with all the Pare's who play down in the Phillipines.

Perspective is everything. You need some more.

No, I haven't. But it isn't like that anymore and this is how it currently is in Canada. That's all I pointed out.....your more likely to sustane serious injury from a paintball than a BB in your average game of either due to FPS restrictions and the fact a BB weighs but a fraction of painball.

[Tom_Keeler]

It seems to me that the full-metal guns just add a level of realism that a TM gun just can't have. I had a TM AK-47, sold it, and with the money bought a G&G M16, and I don't regret it in the least. Gorgeous gun, and if something happens to go on it, that's fine, I'll put out the money to fix it. It's my baby.

[HellRanger]

Originally Posted by Tom_Keeler

It seems to me that the full-metal guns just add a level of realism that a TM gun just can't have.

Ok, in this picture my wife is holding a TM with a plastic body. The second link shows the modified gun after the work was completed.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/gallery...7_original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/vondnik/image/41415019

Vondnik took care of the barrel wobble issue and made it into a M4 RIS commando. I took care of the tabs when they broke, I instaled 2 stainless steel tabs.

With the paintjob and accessories, you can't tell it a plastic body. I also weights ~9 lbs.

I find it looks and feels pretty realistc.

But, then again... it's just my opinion.