Higher end aeg

[SuperHog]

Originally Posted by Curo

If theres anyone here you should listen to, its this guy. He makes insane over the top super high quality stuff.

Can you list a few of those "super high quality stuff" ?

[Curo]

Originally Posted by SuperHog

Can you list a few of those "super high quality stuff" ?

Ummm have you seen the AEGs this guy builds?

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=174502

Theres his most recent. It's an over the top build. Way stronger than it needs to be and all the little tiny details are done right. But the price reflects that. Steve has turned gun making into an art. Making some very functional high speed builds.

Do you need to spend what steve does? Nope. But that steve uses VFC parts to make insane builds like that speaks to the quality of VFC. Could steve leave the VFC stock? Yes he doesn't cause the guns he builds are over the top custom builds. Slapping a different rail and handguard does not make a build custom.

It's like putting rims on a car and saying custom. It's not. Custom is what steve does. Custom is some of the insane resto-mods you see at classic car
shows.

TLDR: You can build insanity with VFC or you can leave it stock, better to buy once and have the option to do so than have to buy twice.

EDIT: Want more EOD steve porn go to his profile and click threads started by EOD Steve, click a few links, realize the guy knows what he is talking about

[SuperHog]

Yes, I have seen his builds. He takes off-the-shelf parts and puts it together along with hand fitting. Most guys are doing it.

My definition of a custom build is where a one off gun is built with off-the-shelf parts along with custom machined fitted parts making it a unique and one-off.

[Datawraith]

@SuperHog: Well... the average airsofter (myself included) simply doesn't have the expertise to make complex builds, such as a dual-sector gear setup. COULD we? Sure, with a lot of cursing, breaking parts, and a high chance of failure. There's a reason why we ask docs like Steve and Pesto to do builds; they have tons of experience in doing complicated setups and the chance they screw up is much much lower than if we do it ourselves.

[SuperHog]

Originally Posted by Datawraith

@SuperHog: Well... the average airsofter (myself included) simply doesn't have the expertise to make complex builds, such as a dual-sector gear setup. COULD we? Sure, with a lot of cursing, breaking parts, and a high chance of failure. There's a reason why we ask docs like Steve and Pesto to do builds; they have tons of experience in doing complicated setups and the chance they screw up is much much lower than if we do it ourselves.

Maybe you can't, but a lot a players that spend enough time tinkering can do it. The ones that can do it, call themselves a "gun doc" and charge $$$ doing it for you.

In other industries the manufacturers offer actual training and certification for techs on their products. Once certified, those techs have direct access to the manufacturers for future support. They have been doing it in paintball for years. Maybe airsoft will follow someday.

[ThunderCactus]

Originally Posted by Datawraith

@SuperHog: Well... the average airsofter (myself included) simply doesn't have the expertise to make complex builds, such as a dual-sector gear setup.

I wouldn't call them "custom" builds, just high speed builds. I would also agree that "custom" would refer to either specialized non-retail bodywork, or specialized non-retail internal work.
For example: custom wood grips, or a custom machined lightweight WE SCAR bolt.
Although if you want to get technical, any build which has a customer requested performance is a custom gun.
And if you want to get really specific, almost every build is a custom build since very few people use a very strict list of upgrade parts.
In fact, a "standard" build would have been more common way back in the day, back when people used either the systema of guarder full tune kits.

Anyway, just no use getting bent out of shape about the usage of the word lol

[ThunderCactus]

Originally Posted by Curo

Ummm have you seen the AEGs this guy builds?

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=174502

Theres his most recent. It's an over the top build. Way stronger than it needs to be and all the little tiny details are done right.
But that steve uses VFC parts to make insane builds like that speaks to the quality of VFC. Could steve leave the VFC stock? Yes he doesn't cause the guns he builds are over the top custom builds.

things that are VFC in that gun:
VFC anti reversal latch
VFC steel bushings
VFC tappet plate (sanded front for improved air seal)
VFC cylinder head
VFC o-ring nozzle
VFC steel selector plate
VFC rubber, flat-hop modded
VFC rotary hop-up unit

Apart from the tappet plate, those other parts are not typically well known for breaking down in most of brands. In fact, those are parts I often leave stock in most guns.
Had he used the stock piston, motor, and stock gears, THAT would have been impressive.
Bushings and cylinder heads are difficult to fuck up (unless you're KWA), selector plates aren't under much stress at all, and the ARL is fine unless it's worn out or snagging. And a lot of people upgrade their hop chambers but don't need to.
There's nothing particularly phenomenal about VFC that makes this build impressive. It's all the aftermarket parts and tech work that make it impressive.

But high speed 45-75rps builds can be done with any gun. Case and point; Zim built a 60rps clearsoft sleeper gun. The base gun is not terribly important given that it lines up your internals properly.
You can make any cyma, JG, WELL, marui, CA, G&G, VFC, G&P, etc shoot amazingly fast, far, and accurately provided you're a good tech.

[Curo]

Everyone is misinterpeting what I mean and as some one who works with and around cars that you apparently wouldn't consider custom, I'm basing my term on what a shop considers custom.

The point is that Gundocs like Steve recommend VFC cause out of the box its very good. It's easy for them to work on and parts fit correctly. Basically this just makes the OP lifes easier in the long run if they choose a VFC.

OP- Airsoft guns will most likely break regardless of brand, high end brands break less and having a gun that you can upgrade or fix easily (either by yourself or having a gun doc do it) will save you many a headache. VFC also has great resale value if you choose to sell your gun. The reason I mentioned it was simply its within the same price range as the Krytac and G&P. None of those brands are bad choices. Though VFC is the current creme de la creme amongst canadian airsofters. Currently :P

[EOD Steve]

Ultimately, while I do really appreciate the publicity from all parties, I feel like this thread has been quite derailed.

I had a wall of text here but instead I will pose the question:
Which other manufacturer other than VFC (and Systema/FCC/Prime/EE/SGT - which is outside the scope of this thread) would allow me to build this:

[pestobanana]

I didn't want to chime in since it was the same old question, but it seems to have gotten pretty far off topic. I prefer the VFC H&K 2015 mechbox over the Krytac, as does Steve. I've seen one or two broken Krytac gearboxes, I've never seen a failure of a stock 2015 VFC. While Krytac does have slightly better magnets than the VFC motor, their magnets are still not even close to good. As for externals, Krytac is a no for me because I don't want an engraved squid on my gun. That is not to say Krytac is bad, they're great but just not for people like me.

G&P has more variety in externals, but the attention to detail from G&P is just...... Just no. Their buffer tubes are over sized. That's good if you wan't a poorly fitting stock to not wobble, such as any (real steel included) Magpul stock. If you want to fit a Mil-Spec stock, nope. Their pistol grips don't always offer the correct motor angle, their motors are pretty much the worst motors on the market. The mock bolt on a G&P doesn't work because they're too lazy to catch up on airsoft AR designs, and they use their GBB spec dust covers. Their receiver threading is also off. Internally, G&P parts fitment is almost as bad as guns from mainland China. If I had a G&P, I would not leave a single thing stock, except maybe the nozzle and anti reversal latch.

VFC is by far the best base for higher end builds. In the gearbox itself, you can keep a lot of the stock components if you are doing a high performance setup. Parts fitment is good. The nozzle doesn't wobble a lot, when you open the gearbox everything stays in place, the air seal out of the box is fantastic. I cannot say any of those things for G&P.

I don't know of any AEG builders in Canada that I would trust to do work for me but prefer a base other than VFC. Likely because any person that really cares about attention to detail would pick VFC.

[Chairs]

Good to know there allot of love for vfc. I probably would of went with vfc if I had been able to find any in stock in configuration I would of liked with a dealership that I know and have had good relationship with. (Did find one deep into the Google pages but never seen or knew of the store). That being said if out of box the two are gonna perform fairly close to the same I'm fine with that. Have zero intentions of tearing it apart and if It does crap out on me in next year or so I'm actually looking into hpa builds and drop in kits as they are kinda tickling my fancy. Have a ton a research to do on them for now and while I do I'm sure my fancy squid gun will do just fine haha.

[EOD Steve]

Agree with all points except:

Krytac is a no for me because I don't want an engraved squid on my gun.

Also you should get on that REV 2.0 steez.

It's a noble octopus, OK?

[Chairs]

Almighty cthulhu on my bbwars pewpewer

[SuperHog]

OK back to the topic again.

I personally like VFC as well for the sheer quality and fit.

I also own a few G&P but found there is also slight upper/receiver wobble, whereas the VFC is absolutely rock solid.

As for the G&P internals, I don't care because I gut out the internals and replace it with P*

[SuperHog]

Originally Posted by EOD Steve

Ultimately, while I do really appreciate the publicity from all parties, I feel like this thread has been quite derailed.

I had a wall of text here but instead I will pose the question:
Which other manufacturer other than VFC (and Systema/FCC/Prime/EE/SGT - which is outside the scope of this thread) would allow me to build this:

I have to compliment how clean your builds are

Nothing worse than a build where the gun is all scratched up by a sloppy gun tech.

By the way, what is the significance of the mapleleaf under the scope?