SystemA AR15 series... what happened?

[Blastyman]

Originally Posted by harleyb

The problem with switching out the cylinder assembly is that you have to retune the hopup. Every change you make involves opening the gun up, so it's a pretty intensive process.

Not really. Pulling the cylinder is as easy as sliding the rear pin out pulling the charging handle putting the new one in.

Retuning the hopup is not a huge issue. Just an allen key in the magwell like many bolt action guns.

But I know what you mean. You are not going to swap cylinders in a firefight and proceed to tune your hopup.

But its still a pretty painless process. Still beats the heck out of any other AEG spring change.

Even if your not changing cylinders and just changing the spring its a very easy process only a few sec's longer since you need to unscrew the back of the cylinder change springs and screw it back on.

[Iceman]

This really sounds like a great system, especially when you want a system that works for Close Quarter and outside engagements. I'm really getting interested in this system. I wish someone in Montreal would have one... arg.

[thePiRaTE!!]

Originally Posted by JoeyJackhammer

on the ICS, the whole upper mechbox comes out, whereas the Systema PTW's, just the cylinder comes out, and it much more compact then carrying an extra upper mechbox around with you. Imagine being able to carry all 3 cylinders on you, and being able to change the range of your gun in seconds, even during a fire fight. why buy 3-4 TM's when you can buy 1 PTW and have 3 guns in one? And an extremely sweet one at that.

I've just about sold myself on it with this idea and the fact its 'pre-upgraded' systema FMU everything. If you look at it from a value stand-point, its actually a good deal. Its worthy of noting for those not aware that it uses proprietary internals and magazines too, so you'll need to get another batch of (more expensive) mags as well, easily boosting the price a few hundred more bucks on top of things. My two concerns are service/parts and... how to get one? All the retailers in Hong Kong that have replied to me have said that they have no plans to carry version 3's at this time, and are only sitting on older versions. They aren't for sale from anywhere in the US. The last choice is from Systema directly, which is what I'm waiting for answers on at this point. The idea of owning a version 3 might be moot at this point anyways.

[tradewindrider]

Originally Posted by thePiRaTE!!

I've just about sold myself on it with this idea and the fact its 'pre-upgraded' systema FMU everything. If you look at it from a value stand-point, its actually a good deal. Its worthy of noting for those not aware that it uses proprietary internals and magazines too, so you'll need to get another batch of (more expensive) mags as well, easily boosting the price a few hundred more bucks on top of things. My two concerns are service/parts and... how to get one? All the retailers in Hong Kong that have replied to me have said that they have no plans to carry version 3's at this time, and are only sitting on older versions. They aren't for sale from anywhere in the US. The last choice is from Systema directly, which is what I'm waiting for answers on at this point. The idea of owning a version 3 might be moot at this point anyways.

I am in the same boat with you. I am from Hongkong and would love to get my hands on the PTW as well.

I sense that PTW is not too attractive to the HK retailerss because of the price tag of the gun. Some of the customer like us might think its affordable, but many others don't.

In a retailer point of view:
1) These PTW don't sell very well
2) They still have older gen stocks in their inventory and unable to estimate when they can clear them all out
3) Systema made a stance that the 3rd gen is not open for public
4) PTW is too user friendly, there are not much upgrades that you need to purchase from the retailers. Also, PTW is durable, retailers have much less chance to earn the "service fee" from customer.
5) Low sales volume. Retailer pay more to import the stocks, but the stocks didn't go very well. It maybe cause by general customer purchasing behavior. There are more people Leasing a car than buying out a car in 1 shot. Not maybe people are willing to buy PTW with the same logic.

I am not LE and have no idea how to get a gen3 PTW at this moment. Is it really possible to buy them from Systema directly?

[Blastyman]

Yes call or fax Systema directly.

[PTE. Pyle]

i talked to will from spec arms he said he could try to get some id talk to him. he might be able to hook you up

[Iceman]

how much are the mags worth tho? Blasty, since you seem to be the only person in Canada to own this system, you use Locaps? Hicaps?

[Mantelope]

Originally Posted by Blastyman

Not really. Pulling the cylinder is as easy as sliding the rear pin out pulling the charging handle putting the new one in.

Retuning the hopup is not a huge issue. Just an allen key in the magwell like many bolt action guns.

But I know what you mean. You are not going to swap cylinders in a firefight and proceed to tune your hopup.

But its still a pretty painless process. Still beats the heck out of any other AEG spring change.

My apologies, the reviews of the prototypes I read said that changing the hopup required opening the gun up, not just an allen key in the magwell.

[Iceman]

Harley... terminology-wise... "changing" and "tuning/adjusting" is different, which do you mean? I'm pretty sure to Change the hopup unit, the user will have to open the gun, but to 'adjust' the hopup, an allen is required...

Just to clarify.

Originally Posted by Iceman

how much are the mags worth tho? Blasty, since you seem to be the only person in Canada to own this system, you use Locaps? Hicaps?

i was paying between 70 to 100 bucks per mag, 110rds a piece. its a really cool system with the simulated bolt catch and such. with regards to taking it down to change the cylinder, it works really slick till you install a 203 (which can be a bitch but generally not to bad) then it wont pivot forward till ya remove the 203, pretty minor.

cheers

[Blastyman]

I personally use the 80 round mags. got 8 of them so I am good to go. Yeah think they were about 70-80 bucks.

You won't confuse them for TM mags. They are made of thick steel, are longer and much heavier. Pretty much like a real mag loaded up with bullets.


And about changing the hopup yes if you were physically changing the hopup yes you have to open the gun which again is removing one pin and the cylinder slides out then you can slide out the hopup and barrel.

archer if you got a m203 on it you can just take out the front pin too then separate the entire upper and get the gun open that way.

And when I say take out the pin you don't acutually take it out. Its made so it can only slide out enough for the receiver to open. You can't lose your pins since they stay attached to the lower.

[Mantelope]

Sorry about the confusion, the review I read stated that to TUNE or adjust the hopup required popping the rear pin and opening the upper receiver for every adjustment you wanted to make. But again, it was a prototype gun.

[Iceman]

Concerning the mags... i read there are 30rounds, 100ish rounds and 300+ rounds mags. Are the prices the same? I was looking forward to a bunch of 30rounds mags... starting with a 300+ to cut on the price a little.

[Solo_Dallas]

ICE,
no 300 rounds mags for PTWs.
They come in 30, 80 and 120 only.

thanks blastyman, :tup: didnt even think about that, havnt needed to open her up yet.