Ares G36v: a word of caution

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Just a plain old piston failure. It happens.
Reminds me of the classic army guns that a few people here think so highly of, they'd either last 3 years, 3 games, or broken in box lol

Hey, kinda like G&P!

[Yuu]

That's what I was thinking, I worked a lot of Ares G36 series and I don't remember that piston was in that colour.

Originally Posted by Kratisto

Are you sure this is really a unmodified brand new Ares G36CV? Did you buy it in a store, or by a "friend"?

All out-of-the-box Ares G36 guns I've seen (and S&T/Umarex clones) use clear plastic pistons and piston heads, plain grey shrinkwraped motors with soldered contacs, and typical white Tamiya connectors, not those yellow ones. Also, the gears look mismatched, each one from a different origin.

Ares does have QC issues, but this looks like a bad tech job made with second hand parts taken from ACM guns...

:-|

[ThunderCactus]

Originally Posted by Styrak

Hey, kinda like G&P!

Yep. Them too. Darn fragile gears and bearings lol
And them PTWs too, bad motors.

[forge]

More input from the masses...awesome

Yes, the gun was completely bone-stock; minus the xt60 connector. I soldered that in myself right after receiving the gun. I had to, in order to test it, as all my batteries are wired to xt60's. Other than that, nothing was touched.
I bought the gun from Toronto Airsoft in June; and used a Tenergy 7.4 LiPo both for the initial test, and in the field when it failed. While I do not have a picture handy of the box or the receiver, I can certainly take/post some if someone is still interested?
I think that answers all the questions....thanks for the feedback guys

[lurkingknight]

naa.. pistons fail... sort of a matter of life for a polymer toothed piston, some folks even with corrected AOE can wreck a plastic piston like that... change it out and move on.. it's a 10$ part.

[forge]

I agree lurkingknight; it was just the luck of the draw, and I happened to get the one with a bad piston. Kind of like the shopping cart with one buggered wheel...leave it to me to find the lemon in the pile
As soon as the cash flow actually starts to flow again, I plan to swap in a Lonex piston, hop-up, shims, and maybe even a few other bits: THAT should keep it going for awhile.

[JayErnie]

The spring that comes in is too powerful for the the stock gun. They put a powerfull spring (I don't have the grade here, but it makes the gun shoot well 400-415 fps), so the gun can pass customs when it gets imported. People should put the other spring that comes in, which is the spring that normally goes in the gun rpior import) when they receive the gun, and then get a slightly powerfull one if you want to upgrade.

Happened twice to my friends G36KV; twice the piston broke at the same place, like yours. We thought it was the blow back system for the first time. We then changed the spring with a lower one at the second fail, a M120 if i recall, so the gun shoots about 380-90 fps and it's just fine. Never broke since then.

My two cents advice here.

[ccyg8774]

Just curious, is there any electrical blow back system that don't suck? How about the Tokyo Marui next gen?

[forge]

Jayernie, are you saying that your friend's gun came with TWO springs? Mine certainly did not, but it would have been a nice option to have. I never considered that the stock spring might be to beefy for the stock gearbox....interesting.
Unfortunately, the gun failed before I had a chance to chrono it, so I have no baseline for comparison. I think I will install the stock spring, chrono it, and if it's firing at some stupid-fast FPS then I will swap in a m110 or m120 spring and take it from there

[JayErnie]

Originally Posted by forge

Jayernie, are you saying that your friend's gun came with TWO springs? Mine certainly did not, but it would have been a nice option to have. I never considered that the stock spring might be to beefy for the stock gearbox....interesting.
Unfortunately, the gun failed before I had a chance to chrono it, so I have no baseline for comparison. I think I will install the stock spring, chrono it, and if it's firing at some stupid-fast FPS then I will swap in a m110 or m120 spring and take it from there

Ya Forge, but unfortunately, since it's ''aftermarket'' work, sometimes, the spring might just not be there...It's a luck of the deal I guess. Not like the UAR where it is actually advertised that it comes with 2 springs in the package.

Hope it helped

[Fireboy]

I will say I bought a classic army m24 from Tornto Airsoft. I got a used gun. Or in the very least one that someone stroked all day long....yeah yeah yeah. The bolt handle was actually separating from the cylinder it had been used so much. Won't give that shop another dime.

[lurkingknight]

I'm just going to come in and comment on this. I have a client gun on my bench a tan ares g36c with KV stock. The piston is the exact same color. The gearbox was previously unopened, I broke the seal, so that piston was factory installed. No bearing in it either.

Originally Posted by Yuu

That's what I was thinking, I worked a lot of Ares G36 series and I don't remember that piston was in that colour.

Originally Posted by Kratisto

Are you sure this is really a unmodified brand new Ares G36CV? Did you buy it in a store, or by a "friend"?

All out-of-the-box Ares G36 guns I've seen (and S&T/Umarex clones) use clear plastic pistons and piston heads, plain grey shrinkwraped motors with soldered contacs, and typical white Tamiya connectors, not those yellow ones. Also, the gears look mismatched, each one from a different origin.

Ares does have QC issues, but this looks like a bad tech job made with second hand parts taken from ACM guns...

:-|

[pestobanana]

It may depend where you got the G36. The S&T G36 I worked on had a piston that colour, then again most of the China guns of worked on had a piston that looked more or less like that. I know some retailers *cough* TA *cough* are/were selling Ares G36s but are actually shipping out S&T G36s. Check if you have S&T stamped on your gearset.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by ccyg8774

Just curious, is there any electrical blow back system that don't suck? How about the Tokyo Marui next gen?

G&G Toptech guns, it's pneumatic and has no effect on the gun's cycle.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by pestobanana

It may depend where you got the G36. The S&T G36 I worked on had a piston that colour, then again most of the China guns of worked on had a piston that looked more or less like that. I know some retailers *cough* TA *cough* are/were selling Ares G36s but are actually shipping out S&T G36s. Check if you have S&T stamped on your gearset.

S&T is an OEM for ARES, so the guns are S&T/ARES. They're not lying to you. I have S&T/ARES G36C's instock as well.