Airsoft "Pet Peeves", time to vent guys!

[pusangani]

Originally Posted by Blitzz40

First of all take a deep breath, second im not your dude and third like i said if you want to play the game the way you like just organise one and play it or go to one that will suit your style of playing. The ignorant here is surely not me!

Yes you have right like all of us i think not more not less, just grow up!

lol dude, i was pissed at the WILSON guy's comment about how ALL airsoft games should be Milsim, that's essentially what's ignorant. of course i know i can organize my own games and whatnot, we all have one thing in common and that is airsoft, whether it be skirmishing or 100% milsim accuracy whatever we're all using the same weapons.

[Blitzz40]

Originally Posted by pusangani

lol dude, i was pissed at the WILSON guy's comment about how ALL airsoft games should be Milsim, that's essentially what's ignorant. of course i know i can organize my own games and whatnot, we all have one thing in common and that is airsoft, whether it be skirmishing or 100% milsim accuracy whatever we're all using the same weapons.

So if i follow you, you call the guy elitist because he like to play milsim so much that in his dream world he would like that all the games are milsim. And you whine about the fact that because you like skirmish people call you a paintballer.

You dont have to be pissed because someone dont have the same taste for the type of game as you do. Respect goes in both ways.

In airsoft you already have milsim and skirmish games and guess what, sometimes we play both of them in the same day. So thats why i told you to come at a game and then you will choose what you like more. Dont be too quick to judge the game or the people who play it. Im not elitist by telling you that. Who knows maybe someday you will like mislims more than skirmishes or maybe not, who cares, its all about your own taste.

[pusangani]

Originally Posted by Blitzz40

So if i follow you, you call the guy elitist because he like to play milsim so much that in his dream world he would like that all the games are milsim. And you whine about the fact that because you like skirmish people call you a paintballer.

You dont have to be pissed because someone dont have the same taste for the type of game as you do. Respect goes in both ways.

In airsoft you already have milsim and skirmish games and guess what, sometimes we play both of them in the same day. So thats why i told you to come at a game and then you will choose what you like more. Dont be too quick to judge the game or the people who play it. Im not elitist by telling you that. Who knows maybe someday you will like mislims more than skirmishes or maybe not, who cares, its all about your own taste.

listen, i have an issue with a statement made by one individual, and the attitude expressed in that statement is what i find ignorant, he never said "i prefer milsim" or "i think milsim is better" he simply said "all airsoft games should be milsim" maybe he did mean in his dreams

im not judging you or anyone else ,just the attitude that can give birth to a sweeping statement like that. sorry if i didnt communicate that clearly enough before, and you are right, maybe in future i will prefer milsim, i doubt it, but who knows? but the issue of elitism will still be with us as there will always be people who feel that if your socks aren't regulation cf issue or if you didnt pack mrt's for lunch that you are not good enough to be on the same field as sthem

[Viking]

One of my team mates just told me about this thread, and I took the time to read it in it's entirety. In the name of fairness, and including the respect of everyone's opinions, this seems to boil down to "feelings".

I have a colourful background. This has been, and continues to be, a fantastic outlet for me when I'm not busy with real life. Having said that, I tackle this sport with the same tenacity and fervor that I do with anything I'm interested in. In short, I could be considered passionate.

I've seen another common denominator here, and that is what people will tolerate, and what they will not. Allow me to tell you what I will tolerate. I will always tolerate an eager, energetic, and motivated player. I have never been, nor will I ever be concerned with how this player is dressed. If a guy is a shooter, he is a shooter.

Having said that, if he is a bag of shit, he will undoubtedly move like a bag of shit, fight like a bag of shit, and of course, talk like a bag of shit. Remember that it takes a few years to be a good shooter. It also takes a few minutes to dress like one, and a few seconds to talk like one.

I have on several occasions, had the displeasure of seeing these "kitted out" folks, come to the fight with me, only to see their $1000.00 pieces of kit leave the AO because they are missing lunch, or are fatigued, or have lost interest altogether. Some have even fled because the fight has proven too challenging for them. Hey. It's a volunteer sport. You show up and do your thing. I cannot challenge that. But show some damn interest. All I can hope for is that the game organizers lay out enough wax paper for you so your candy ass doesn't stick to the seat they provide for you when you've had enough.

I am not alone. I can imagine there are more that share this opinion, but they remain quiet. That is an admirable quality in this sport. In the end, those that talk don't know, and those that know don't talk. In short, it's about doing.

Please do not think that silence equates to elitism. If you are just attending a Milsim Op and see a group of guys quietly checking their gear by their vehicles, know that they've been planning this Op for weeks before you knew it was on the boards. They are not there to socialize. They are not there to show the world a "kit parade". They select the gear that will keep up with them. They are there for the objectives, and the objectives alone. The AEGs they bring with them are looked upon as tools. The sharper the tool, the better it will work for them. It's been said that a good musician doesn't blame their instruments; but a good instrument doesn't make a good musician.

Know that the individuals you may consider as elitists may be very approachable. Know that they may have a keen sense of humour, just like yourselves. They may not show it; largely because they are in the "bubble". They may have traveled great distances to be there, and want to do it right the first time. Conversely, they might be seriously hung over from the night before. True stories there.

With all the preparations and planning involved that these folks create for themselves, please understand that the last thing going through their minds is how some of you might "feel". Those "feelings" might be revisited after the game, when all is said and done, and the bubbles have burst.

Do not be so quick to judge. I maintain that if you can do what I can do, you can go where I can go. That makes me neither above or below you. I am who I am. Instead of labeling, we might want to consider learning.

All of this being said, assholes are indeed assholes, and shouldn't be tolerated. Further to this, someone mentioned Wolfpack specifically as an example of elitist behavior. Being a former member of Wolfpack, I have never encountered an individual from that team that has demonstrated or exhibited any of these negative traits. They are in every way, a breed apart; and all my Brothers. If they appear to be better, it's most likely because they are.

This is definitively the longest post I've ever made on this site. LOL.

[AXe Hound]

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

[Jughead]

Great rant Viking.

[skalnok]

i have to agree and by agree i mean i agree with everything you said lol

[Wilson]

Back to anti-paintball and the seriousness of airsoft!

Seriously, if I want to chew my mechboxes up to shit and burn out my motors by wasting 10,000 rounds in an afternoon in some sort of skirmish thats more akin to a computer game than real life, I'd rather do so with equipment that was designed for it. Yeah, I see a lot of that paintball wannabe crap on youtube, and sadly I see a lot of it going on here, too. When I play airsoft, I do so with a serious tone and behave as a real operator would, or at least as close as I can given the technical limitations of either my skills or equipment. Objectives are focused on, and all manner of proper movement, communications, etc are employed to win.

When I don't feel like doing all of that, I play paintball -- where I can loose $100 in paint in a day if I wanted and all I would need to do is thoroughly clean my marker afterwards. Paintball isn't all just running around shooting things! On the contrary, all shooting sports usually involve some form of communication between team mates, and some form of cohesive movement between them - I just find that given the nature of the markers (with an electronic hopper and electronic double trigger, ramping engaged) there's a heck of a lot more shit flying through the air than would be reasonable in an airsoft game. So, for those fun "skirmishes" the new people here seem so horny about, paintball is the way to go. And, as an added bonus, if you aren't as serious into airsoft as me, you'd save a lot of money by simply sticking to paintball. I don't mean this in a negative sense, so stop assuming I am intending it as such.

Simply stated, paintball is more suited to skirmishes than airsoft. When I say skirmish, I mean one team starts over there, and the other starts opposite them somewhere, and they clash at whatever pace they wish. In some instances, that could even be a "MILSIM" operation, but I'll leave it at that.

Anyway, when I pick up an airsoft weapon I enter my MILSIM mode, and I don't leave it until the day is over and we're shooting shit by the fire with cold beer in hand. More often than not, when I pick up a paintball marker the cold beer may still be in hand!

[skalnok]

new one.

people who hate paintball. its fun to do with friends who dont have airsoft and as wilson said its pretty good for just chilling with friends( my interpretation) and wasting some time

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by skalnok

new one.

people who hate paintball. its fun to do with friends who dont have airsoft and as wilson said its pretty good for just chilling with friends( my interpretation) and wasting some time

Correct interpretation.

I always bring my PB gear to games for some after-mission skirmishes and such. As serious as I like to be during the game, it's good to unwind with a fun game of running around shooting things randomly.

[skalnok]

in that case i am looking forward to seeing you at a game lol.


also another peeve to get things back on track

- people who class all airsoft and paintball types together i.e. milsim, skirmish, speedball, woodsball and css fanatics who jump and crouch for better accuracy...

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by skalnok

css fanatics who jump and crouch for better accuracy...

lol people actually do that in real life?

[skalnok]

its been rumored to happen every once in a while lol

[-=]MH[=-RaiDen]

Originally Posted by skalnok

its been rumored to happen every once in a while lol

This I gotta see with my own eyes, where?!?! is there any bunny hopping?

[Gunk]

Are you talking about the Halo-esque crouch jump thing?

Yeah... pictures!