Elitists -Newbies, please read

[Hurley895]

I think that you have no right to tell anyone what to wear outside of safety gear. You want to look the same join a team, same goes for making fun of the kitted out guy.

[Strelok]

Originally Posted by NRN_R_Sumo1

Long post summarized - "I'm really ignorant"

I dunno what else to say about what you wrote dude. People to play to have fun, I dont care if someone dressed up completely at a scrim, or doesn't. But if there are requirements for a game that you need to be geared out and not rocking with a tactical maraca (Highcap if you don't get the joke) I would only hope someone would have the decency to look up to the part.

A good deal of the experience for me is the milsim aspect. I dont invest a lot into my guns just to run around with what would be best compared to a bunch of 14 year olds having an 'airsoft war' in the woods in Tshirts and Jeans.

[SHaKaL]

Originally Posted by Strelok

I dunno what else to say about what you wrote dude. People to play to have fun, I dont care if someone dressed up completely at a scrim, or doesn't. But if there are requirements for a game that you need to be geared out and not rocking with a tactical maraca (Highcap if you don't get the joke) I would only hope someone would have the decency to look up to the part.

A good deal of the experience for me is the milsim aspect. I dont invest a lot into my guns just to run around with what would be best compared to a bunch of 14 year olds having an 'airsoft war' in the woods in Tshirts and Jeans.

+1

[Death March]

While I agree for the most part of "looking the part" for some games,guy's & gals have to start with something! Once people get a feel for the look sorta speak is how they decide on if that style of gaming is for them or not. I have alot of cash tied up in gear & guns,but sometimes I have to step back and remember from what I started out with.

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by NRN_R_Sumo1

To be honest here, I'm someone who plays with a group of people who don't go out and buy 600 dollars of equipment, we're college students and don't have that sort of money anyways.

Whopdie shit. I spent over $2,000 on airsoft while I was in college.. that was WHILE I was paying for my own education. It's called budgeting and knowing where your spending priorities are. 90% of the college students I know spend over $200/mo in alcohol. Cut that down by 75% and in 3 months you have a decent AEG. 3 more months and you have your BDU's and boots, and goggles.

I wouldn't expect people to spend more than they can on airsoft gear.. but seriously the "you're a snob and we can't all afford that stuff so you should let us play anyway" argument is getting rather old. Airsoft games have a set standard you should meet. If you can't, then don't play. We're not lowering our standards to accommodate people not willing to spend the money.

It's like going to a V8 muscle car show with your rusty '92 Ford Escort and bitching that they should lower the standards to let you in because not everyone can afford an LS3 powered fun machine.

To reinterate what I said in the OP -airsoft, like any other hobby, has a minimum accepted financial investment to get into. If you can't meet it, don't get involved. If you want to play t-shirt BB tag with your friends somewhere, be my guest. I really don't care. But don't tell me we should accept you at a game with an established dress code just because "you don't want to spend the money." If you can't afford it, tough. Life sucks.

As for making fun of people who actually do spend money on gear.. like I said, again in the OP, there's a reason we spend money on gear. Making fun of people who spend money on functional gear is just plain jackassery. Everyone has different tastes. I've seen guys who have 3x the gear I do because they use it all, and guys who have a 1/3 the gear because they don't actually need anymore for the way they play. I don't make fun of the 3x gear guy anymore than the 1/3 gear guy makes fun of me. In fact, I'm more likely to go talk to them and check out their rigs to see if I can get some ideas I might like for mine.

Originally Posted by Strelok

I dunno what else to say about what you wrote dude. People to play to have fun, I dont care if someone dressed up completely at a scrim, or doesn't. But if there are requirements for a game that you need to be geared out and not rocking with a tactical maraca (Highcap if you don't get the joke) I would only hope someone would have the decency to look up to the part.

A good deal of the experience for me is the milsim aspect. I dont invest a lot into my guns just to run around with what would be best compared to a bunch of 14 year olds having an 'airsoft war' in the woods in Tshirts and Jeans.

This here sums up a good chunk of my OP in simple terms.

We don't spend $$$ on airsoft gear to play tag with BBs. You don't have to milsim.. but games do have standards. If you want to play BB tag, don't play at an event.

[ScooterVauto]

this is the begining of my First Full Airsoft season.
I spent a lot of cash over the last year.
Im not a Student but i am a father and husband.
My car is 10 years old. I dont drink but i will smoke a little herb once and a while.

My armoury new and used cost me about 2500.00 (i have 4 m4s, 2 Aks a couple smgs and 5 pistols.. WHY?? I can only use 1 rifle and 1 pistol..
Cause the price was right..

I have BDUs brand new Woodlan ripstop. they cost me 90$ from a surplus store.
My Kit is a vest, a 3 ltr hydration, 6 dual mag pouches, 1 belt, 1 drop leg and 1 holster.
All bought used for a total of 110.
My paintball mask is 10 years old (but i bought a new lense last year -- saftey first)
si a total of 100 there
so not including my rifles, pistols, batteries and BBs..
my kit was just over $300.00

I know people who drink that on a pay day.

air soft is only as expensive as YOU make it.

I have only been involved in 2 milsim games and they were a blast,
I have been to a couple skirmishes they are a blast.

Making fun of a guy that spent 300 for his look is childish and likely based in jelousy.

Take the time to save $100.00 to hit a surplus store in your city and i bet you'll find a lot of goodies and come home with change.

if a player doesnt take the time to find his own look, then by all means play the game
but dont expect to be playing a milsim as without the proper look yuo will be playing in the parking lot. simple.

[Sinder]

Thanks for this posting. Because of your post my first gun was an upgraded cag36c, and I am extremely happy with it.
My kids have been using the clearsoft 15$ guns and they have been having a lot of fun with those (Young kids). So they have there place in the world and help kinda get them into airsofting but if you wanna really play airsoft in a team/game setting, follow the advice of the people who have been doing it for years.

[Curo]

I'm 17 and making car insuraance payments I just dropped 800+ on gear and I'm atleast gona spend another 200 before I'm done. All of that and I still could afford a new AEG mags, battery and charger. It's called work, a job if you will. I don't party nearly as much as my friends do and don't eat out everyday. I spend my money on things I enjoy.

Oh ya and buy AEG I mean a pro-line CA... If I can you can!

[FallingWolf]

Hey, I'm totally new to the airsoft world and I'm just gonna say thank you for that and I agree. Although some of it should be common sense, but I also know people now-a-days, lack common sense, so thank you once again.

[Covax]

As a still a mostly newb (only got a half decent gun last week) whose gear has to pull double duty... take my opinion with a grain of salt but just let Darwin take over. Do you have the right to tell me NOT to show up on the field, if there aren’t strict uniform/costuming rules enforced? No. If I pay my 25$ field fee and show up in shorts/t-shirt and carrying a spinger shotgun and wearing foggy glasses AND wandering around on my own like a X-Box player… just go ahead, and claim an easy kill. Several even. If I give up well then boo hoo for me.

I’ve learned there’s a definite curve to the game. The seasoned player would have spent more, sure, but there’s a learning/reflex curve and an instinct curve… and those aren’t always the same thing. Pain and discomfort are lessons the body learns. First game you show up half naked, you wander alone, you’re lit up. Second game you’re overburdened with clothing and gear, you stick to your drinking buddies, you’re lit up. Slowly, you get your comfort zone, and your gear & AEG are extensions of your body, and you stick to teammates that’ll keep you alive.

I’d say the learning curve is part of the fun; I’m having fun with it at any rate.

[kalnaren]

You show up at a field in shorts, and everyone will be aiming at your kneecaps.

Also, it's incredibly discourteous, to both the host and the other player, to show up at a game that blatantly stated the uniform requirements not wearing any of them. It's annoying for host who now has to accommodate someone who just basically gave them a big middle finger and doesn't fit into their team separations, and it's annoying for the players who wanted some semblance of uniformity among the teams and now they have an odd dude out. Some games are more lax than others, but say 'fuck you' to the host enough and you'll very quickly find yourself without games to play at.

Airsoft isn't just about you having fun -a good airsoft player considers how his attitude and deportment effects the rest of the players as well.

[Covax]

I’ll agree with you on the courtesy thing: follow the rules or go home. The flip side to that if the particular game that day uniform/costume & gear requirements are not specified aside from a color then snubbing the new guys won’t help the overall cause. Some guys are playing it as a sport and some as a game. I’d lay the onus on the new guys to do as much research as they can before and between games, and the old guard to do a little mentoring.

Personally I’ve never experienced or observed any snubbing, so it’s all an academic exercise to me. Most of the games have been skirmishes where I’ve been to I’ve been relegated to the terrorist/civilian/PMC side where mixed gear falls tolerated & recommended. And it works. I want to ‘earn my way’ in the milsim side of things, not just by buying my way into the game but by earning my dues in the blood & mud.

One advantage airsoft has over Facebook are the Dislike buttons. They’re called triggers.

[kalnaren]

Some games have provisions for people in "civies". I've never seen an outdoor game where the uniform expectations weren't made clear. Some indoor skirmishes I've played have been pretty lax in that area.

[takatsu]

Well, it's been a while since the last reply in this thread, so sorry for bumping it! Thanks for the read, although, I've completely agreed and known about these issues between starters/newbie and experienced/serious airsoft players.

I am a complete newb (although I've been fooling around with a crappy $50 Umarex HK USP NBB CO2 pistol) and am looking to get into airsoft seriously, and therefore as any person with common sense would, I have done months of research, reading almost every possible post on here.

I know the rules, I know the gear needed, I know what events require what, I know which brands are better, which are worse. I have a full time job and am willing to spend some dough. Although I can't see the classifieds as I'm still awaiting replies from age verifiers or looking for space in my schedule to join an event and get AV'd.

However, I must say sometimes it's been quite discouraging personally to be reading all these threads (not specifically saying this one) on airsoft canada. To me, recommending more expensive (rather, reasonably priced) products isn't an issue. But I'd like to be honest and express that I'm not feeling very comfortable because of the harsher attitudes/tones that most experienced players have. Sometimes those starting out may feel intimidated because of that, rather than the recommendation of expensive equipment. To me, that is more "elitism", where it feels like it is an elite society that we cannot get into because we are shot down - no pun intended - whatever we say or do. I'm sure that comes from having to deal with ignorant noobs all the time but still.

Not that I have ever experienced that personally, but I wince reading posts on asc alot of times. However, that doesn't change my determination or seriousness in getting into it, getting to know all of you and joining events and making new friends and comrades. I've seen so many videos online with footage from games and off the field. I talk to some serious airsofters. People are awesome out there in real life.

But hey, would it be possible to create a more welcoming atmosphere on ASC and just ignore the ignorant noobs (or just post a link to a thread with an answer) who don't read shit. (I mean i've read posts where information was repeated a billion times to different people)

I'm in no position to say this (since i just joined the site) but just getting my opinion out there as a newb and the atmosphere I feel.

Anyway, but one day I'll probably become one of those more experienced players haha!

[Curo]

No offense mate, but uhhh computers dont convey tone of voice. It might sometimes just be in your head.