Fight club custom

[metagod]

Originally Posted by IggysPiggy

Yeah just wait till you can justify two of them( ones the wife's I swear ) and all the other wall hangers in the background.

Next step is g2+ or g3 NV lol that excuse is almost plausible.

This summer is my first FCC PTW, next year will be my gen3 NV.

Oh and in between were looking at developing a 160 acre airsoft field near pigeon lake so whatever extra cash I might have left could go into that

[Ricochet]

Although many FCC parts are superior to Systema, I still haven't seen a shooting improvement. I do like the CNC'd bodies for starters, but I find the Systema barrel, hop-up, and motor to be better. Let me explain; "the evolution barrel and bucking was a slight performance boost over Systema's previous models, but not be much, they did not however "need" a hop mod to reach performance standards; "though I'm sure it would help". My old ass Frankenstein Systema built from a Gen 1 chassis ranges 0.28 and 0.30 gram BBs at over 300 feet (measured), and at a man sized target; the evolutions out if the box were a little better grouping, and distance wise. I haven't had my own chance to put an FCC motor through its paces, but I have had a chance to read several reviews. It seems a Systema motor which has been properly wound is still the better motor platform; but of course that could change. In my personal opinion, the motor manufacturing was the only place an improvement "must" be made. I am happy they bettered a few other things like the receiver, because there was definitely room for improvement.

I think the best thing FCC is doing, is making more variants of the TW system of actual quality (unlike CTW, DTW, etc, which are massive flops), and of course catering to airsoft. They are however likely going to be more cash than many Systema models, and in some cases much more. So anyone looking to buy a TW AK, Scar, Masada, etc, get your pocket books out. Very worth the money though.

I've had ample chance to see and fondle all the neat products FCC has made, and to see them in action. Also their plans for future products and improvements are very exciting.

Anyone looking for anything Systema or Fight Club Custom, go to Double Tap Tactical; you won't find a better retailer in Canada. I've met the owners several times, and they are two of the nicest and honest guys you can meet.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Ricochet

Although many FCC parts are superior to Systema, I still haven't seen a shooting improvement. I do like the CNC'd bodies for starters, but I find the Systema barrel, hop-up, and motor to be better. Let me explain; "the evolution barrel and bucking was a slight performance boost over Systema's previous models, but not be much, they did not however "need" a hop mod to reach performance standards; "though I'm sure it would help". My old ass Frankenstein Systema built from a Gen 1 chassis ranges 0.28 and 0.30 gram BBs at over 300 feet (measured), and at a man sized target; the evolutions out if the box were a little better grouping, and distance wise. I haven't had my own chance to put an FCC motor through its paces, but I have had a chance to read several reviews. It seems a Systema motor which has been properly wound is still the better motor platform; but of course that could change. In my personal opinion, the motor manufacturing was the only place an improvement "must" be made. I am happy they bettered a few other things like the receiver, because there was definitely room for improvement.

I think the best thing FCC is doing, is making more variants of the TW system of actual quality (unlike CTW, DTW, etc, which are massive flops), and of course catering to airsoft. They are however likely going to be more cash than many Systema models, and in some cases much more. So anyone looking to buy a TW AK, Scar, Masada, etc, get your pocket books out. Very worth the money though.

I've had ample chance to see and fondle all the neat products FCC has made, and to see them in action. Also their plans for future products and improvements are very exciting.

Anyone looking for anything Systema or Fight Club Custom, go to Double Tap Tactical; you won't find a better retailer in Canada. I've met the owners several times, and they are two of the nicest and honest guys you can meet.

Well FCC is still a very young company but the direction they are heading is definitely a right one and you got to give them credit for teh fact that they have improved the TW platform immensely over Systema. I have been Systema supporter since day1 however their attitude of there i snothing wrong with our product is getting really worn down there are issues with their product and they have refused to acknowledge that. I have own pretty much all their stuff from their AEG line to their first PTW, I may not have own as much PTW as Brad or some others but I did have 5 out of 6 PTW at one point sitting in various disassembly due to broken or faulty parts I swore off PTW all together at one point and went strictly AEG. In fact if it wasn't for my uber PTW that was build by Tony needing a new ECU I would'nt even consider FCC, I don't think any of my broken PTW has shot more than 2000 rnds with the exception of Tony's Build and my TW5 but with the FCC my first NST rifle went through over 50K rnds and it's still going strong, whether I'm lucky or unlucky or if its actually their product are really that good you can't ignore the evidence that is in my gun locker, even my 416 that is 6months old have gone through more than 10K from gaming and actual durability testing. Systema has done great in the TW platform but a lot of company are evolving around their tech and even begin developing better tech than Systema, I like to compare FCC like the old upstarting Systema in the mid 80's. FCC new mentality on improving their product is not just conducting test in the factory or controlled enviroment, they have a team of QA personell who are players to test their product on the field with every abuse being thrown at their product before QC process and manufacturing even begin. As for Double Tap well they are probably one of the best retailers in Canada, Honest, Fair, Reliable and most importantly owned by players that know the game, its good points and faults.

BTW FCC guys are very serious in improving their products so if any of the end users have any comments please put them up. Brad your comments and suggestions have been fowarded to the boys at FCC so keep them coming guys. Before anyone suggest new platform STOP! they are in development and details will be released in the very near future.

[Ricochet]

We actually got a chance to chit chat with FCC in person yesterday. They are working on some very cool things.

Systema has had a certain ignorance in areas of their guns; perhaps because they have had no real competition. Our team runs Systema almost strictly, and other than the odd issue we've had good luck. Motors are the only semi common failure we've seen, but they see hundreds of thousands of rounds. I'm not disagreeing that FCC isn't on the right track, because they are definitely on the right track. Companies like FCC and RA-Tech make the best better, and that's what any serious gamer wants to see. I just don't like band wagon jumpers, or people who get butt hurt because of imperfection. I switched over to Systema almost a decade ago and never went back. We do get to see all the new AEG and gas platforms, and nothing compared. The worst is people who think that a Product should never break down, and don't understand that when you rip a door off your Ferrari it costs more to replace than a door off a Honda. That's all because it's a nicer door; don't go around after yelling at Ferrari and bad mouthing them because your feelings are hurt.

If FCC keeps going like this, Systema will completely lase their market if they don't do 500% overhaul on their company, their policies, and their products.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Ricochet

We actually got a chance to chit chat with FCC in person yesterday. They are working on some very cool things.

Systema has had a certain ignorance in areas of their guns; perhaps because they have had no real competition. Our team runs Systema almost strictly, and other than the odd issue we've had good luck. Motors are the only semi common failure we've seen, but they see hundreds of thousands of rounds. I'm not disagreeing that FCC isn't on the right track, because they are definitely on the right track. Companies like FCC and RA-Tech make the best better, and that's what any serious gamer wants to see. I just don't like band wagon jumpers, or people who get butt hurt because of imperfection. I switched over to Systema almost a decade ago and never went back. We do get to see all the new AEG and gas platforms, and nothing compared. The worst is people who think that a Product should never break down, and don't understand that when you rip a door off your Ferrari it costs more to replace than a door off a Honda. That's all because it's a nicer door; don't go around after yelling at Ferrari and bad mouthing them because your feelings are hurt.

If FCC keeps going like this, Systema will completely lase their market if they don't do 500% overhaul on their company, their policies, and their products.

Tell me about it, most people would think that I'm insane for wanting to keep repairing a $2K toy gun they think I should just get a regular AEG that way if something break it's cheaper to repair, they think anything cost that much stock it should be perfect out of the box. I admit sometimes I wish Systema would just swallow their pride and admit that there is a QC manufacturing issue not a design issue and that is what makes me angry and turned off by their so call improvements. after being a loyal end user of their product for over two decades I felt cheated and so do others especially with their PTW platform, the design is amazing best when compared to all teh other AEGs . I have no doubt that one day my FCC TW will fail but so far it has exceed my expectation especially for a PTW platform and they are coming very close to exceed the performance level of my former PTW that was build by the PTW master Tony himself.
Systema definitely have to change the way they do things especially after FCC will release their new gearbox design and new platform, they are slowly moving away from the Systema base design which will only help booster their reputation.

[mcguyver]

One day maybe I will be able to contribute a more indepth review on a complete FCC gun.

But a 416 kit for Jonas may come soon. It's a start at least.

[Ricochet]

New gear box? In my opinion that's one thing that isn't wrong with Systema. It'll be interesting what they come up with in improvements. I don't even run all hardened gears, and my gear box is over seven years old.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

One day maybe I will be able to contribute a more indepth review on a complete FCC gun.

But a 416 kit for Jonas may come soon. It's a start at least.

Your feedback is greatly appreciated the FCC crew will want to know what works and what is not

[captainafternoon]

My FCC pinion gear got loose and tore itself apart.

I used thread lock and torqued it on hard. Don't understand how it could happen, any thoughts?

[c3sk]

What threadlock did you use? I would recommend red or even epoxy to make sure the little bastard doesn't move. If the pinion gear shaft gets hot enough from heat transfer from the motor, it can cause the pinion gear to work itself free if the loctite is not strong enough. I had a similar issue awhile back, needless to say - I have increased the amount of loctite I use on parts now.

That being said, FCC will replace the part for you.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by captainafternoon

My FCC pinion gear got loose and tore itself apart.

I used thread lock and torqued it on hard. Don't understand how it could happen, any thoughts?

Louis,

i forwarded the pics to FCC tech department pm me your email I'll get them to contact you

[captainafternoon]

Thought RED thread lock would be overkill. I believe you're right heat transfer could be why this happened.

Will re install with systema pinion i have left over after i clean up the gear box.

@Wildcard PM'd

Wow didn't think they would replace that at all! Good stuff, ill use the factory one for now.

Thanks

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by captainafternoon

Thought RED thread lock would be overkill. I believe you're right heat transfer could be why this happened.

Will re install with systema pinion i have left over after i clean up the gear box.

Let me know I have some spare Pinion gear here so far only yours and C3sk have had this issue, I already email them to see if there are anymore.

[mcguyver]

I don't see much threadlock residue on that screw. It could have been a little light and when the motor sha got warm, it worked itself out.

Use lots, and use red.

I have never had to put any on a pinion, as Systema uses a good amount and you need a torch to loosen it. FCC should sell their motors with pinions installed, if the shaft is the correct length, then they can all be preset to the same position. Or pull the upper shim and make the armature adjustable.

Jay, you can pass that one along to FCC as well.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

I don't see much threadlock residue on that screw. It could have been a little light and when the motor sha got warm, it worked itself out.

Use lots, and use red.

I have never had to put any on a pinion, as Systema uses a good amount and you need a torch to loosen it. FCC should sell their motors with pinions installed, if the shaft is the correct length, then they can all be preset to the same position. Or pull the upper shim and make the armature adjustable.

Jay, you can pass that one along to FCC as well.

Done and someone in their tech department will contact Louis, but if you are in a jam I have some extra pinions if you need them.
Installation of FCC motor & grip - YouTube