Barrell length question

RadioMan · August 21st, 2008, 22:58

Hi. I have been into airsoft for a good 2 years now and I think its time to trade in my kraken. I'm not asking what gun I should get but I want to know what barrel length would be good for an aeg? I want something that can match the range of most aeg's but is not insanely long.

Disco_Dante · August 21st, 2008, 23:07

Then you should look at "Most AEGS" You'll find the most common are m4 and AK variants. Something with a barrel of a length equivalent to that would be average.

Or you could look into a bullpup rifle. You'll get a longer inner barrel length, but with a smaller overall rifle, which sounds like it would suit your needs.

GreyFox132 · August 21st, 2008, 23:22

famas/aug/l85 are probably the choices you want long inner barrel in a small package

LUTNIT · August 21st, 2008, 23:24

Barrel length mostly determines accuracy at any given range
FPS mostly determines range

I said MOSTLY as there is some overlap. A longer barreled gun can APPEAR to shoot farther because it has a longer EFFECTIVE range as it can have much tighter groupings at any given range even though the higher FPS gun will get the BB's farther out there. Ideally you want a 370-390fps gun with a barrel at least 450mm long.

Also hopup design has to go into range, I can outrange a KJW M700 shooting 550fps with my 320fps STAR M60E4, no idea how or why but it can.

An AK has a 455mm inner on average, an M4 363mm (damn I knew those off the top of my head, I need a break from gun work...) Really an AK is a good platform for a medium to long range weapon. If its a Kraken I recommend getting a tightbore inner, TM hopup unit, Guarder clear hopup rubber, metal bushings, bearing spring guide, and an upgraded spring (a Prometheus Ms110 should bring you to 370-390fps with that setup if properly installed.)

If you want a bullpup a FAMAS is out of the question as its ver.1 mechbox can't handle much past stock sub300fps. An AUG is nice but aren't too common and I have heard a lot of problems with them breaking parts but have no experience. A full length L85A2 has an M16 length inner but is the size of an M4A1 and can take armalite mags. Has a quick change spring to go from close quarters games to field games in under 10 minutes. They are known to have some issues with battery storage as there isn't much room for one and you probably want a large battery to turn over 400fps upgrades.

GreyFox132 · August 21st, 2008, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUTNIT

If you want a bullpup a FAMAS is out of the question as its ver.1 mechbox can't handle much past stock sub300fps.

orly? mines shooting over 400

Styrak · August 22nd, 2008, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyFox132

orly? mines shooting over 400

Since when?

And LUTNIT, I've had no problems with my AUG, and it was used before even I got it.

LUTNIT · August 22nd, 2008, 00:37

Its just that I read about a lot of AUG's that break down here on ASC. And if your FAMAS is shooting over 400, I doubt it will for long unless you've done something really special. I have seen ver.1 mechboxes blow apart from 350fps upgrades after less than 2500rnds, they are by far the weakest mechbox type with the fewest aftermarket and replacement parts available.

GreyFox132 · August 22nd, 2008, 07:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak

Since when?

And LUTNIT, I've had no problems with my AUG, and it was used before even I got it.

since i turned the spring the right way around XD. Added a tightbore barrel, and added a v2 bearing spring guide + shark hopup bucking

and mines been going good with an m120 spring in it for about 1 year now. Only thing i've seen with wear on it was the helical bevel gears anti reversal slots

Skladfin · August 22nd, 2008, 13:02

dont get M4

RadioMan · August 24th, 2008, 14:47

Right now, there is someone I know who has a JG M4 and they are out ranging my kraken. (both guns are stock right now)

CDN_Stalker · August 24th, 2008, 14:54

I was able to get 0.30g BBs out to around 300ft in my CA M24 when I had downgraded it to 340fps, and was tweaking the hop up before the game. I was impressed! Mind you the BBs were flying past in a rough 20ft area at that distance, but still, I pretty much dispelled the fps = range myth. Hop up setting and BB weight are literally the determining factor for range. FPS just gives you the power to extend your effective range with greater wind resistance, after the 'power' drops off the hop up effect is what carries your BB farther. Hell, I had my rifle shooting 580fps for one large game, using 0.36g Bbs, never hit a thing, even though I was shooting at guys 200ft away, BBs were all over the place and the air currents didn't help either.

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August 21st, 2008, 22:58	#1
RadioMan Banned Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Winnipeg	Barrel length question Hi. I have been into airsoft for a good 2 years now and I think its time to trade in my kraken. I'm not asking what gun I should get but I want to know what barrel length would be good for an aeg? I want something that can match the range of most aeg's but is not insanely long.

August 21st, 2008, 23:07	#2
Disco_Dante Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: GTA	Then you should look at "Most AEGS" You'll find the most common are m4 and AK variants. Something with a barrel of a length equivalent to that would be average. Or you could look into a bullpup rifle. You'll get a longer inner barrel length, but with a smaller overall rifle, which sounds like it would suit your needs. __________________ Not for glory, nor riches, nor honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man gives up except with his life.

August 21st, 2008, 23:24	#4
LUTNIT Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa	Barrel length mostly determines accuracy at any given range FPS mostly determines range I said MOSTLY as there is some overlap. A longer barreled gun can APPEAR to shoot farther because it has a longer EFFECTIVE range as it can have much tighter groupings at any given range even though the higher FPS gun will get the BB's farther out there. Ideally you want a 370-390fps gun with a barrel at least 450mm long. Also hopup design has to go into range, I can outrange a KJW M700 shooting 550fps with my 320fps STAR M60E4, no idea how or why but it can. An AK has a 455mm inner on average, an M4 363mm (damn I knew those off the top of my head, I need a break from gun work...) Really an AK is a good platform for a medium to long range weapon. If its a Kraken I recommend getting a tightbore inner, TM hopup unit, Guarder clear hopup rubber, metal bushings, bearing spring guide, and an upgraded spring (a Prometheus Ms110 should bring you to 370-390fps with that setup if properly installed.) If you want a bullpup a FAMAS is out of the question as its ver.1 mechbox can't handle much past stock sub300fps. An AUG is nice but aren't too common and I have heard a lot of problems with them breaking parts but have no experience. A full length L85A2 has an M16 length inner but is the size of an M4A1 and can take armalite mags. Has a quick change spring to go from close quarters games to field games in under 10 minutes. They are known to have some issues with battery storage as there isn't much room for one and you probably want a large battery to turn over 400fps upgrades. Last edited by LUTNIT; August 21st, 2008 at 23:27..

August 21st, 2008, 23:22	#3
GreyFox132 Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Barrie Ontario	famas/aug/l85 are probably the choices you want long inner barrel in a small package

August 22nd, 2008, 00:37	#7
LUTNIT Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa	Its just that I read about a lot of AUG's that break down here on ASC. And if your FAMAS is shooting over 400, I doubt it will for long unless you've done something really special. I have seen ver.1 mechboxes blow apart from 350fps upgrades after less than 2500rnds, they are by far the weakest mechbox type with the fewest aftermarket and replacement parts available.

August 22nd, 2008, 13:02	#9
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	dont get M4

August 24th, 2008, 14:47	#10
RadioMan Banned Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Winnipeg	Right now, there is someone I know who has a JG M4 and they are out ranging my kraken. (both guns are stock right now)

August 24th, 2008, 14:54	#11
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	I was able to get 0.30g BBs out to around 300ft in my CA M24 when I had downgraded it to 340fps, and was tweaking the hop up before the game. I was impressed! Mind you the BBs were flying past in a rough 20ft area at that distance, but still, I pretty much dispelled the fps = range myth. Hop up setting and BB weight are literally the determining factor for range. FPS just gives you the power to extend your effective range with greater wind resistance, after the 'power' drops off the hop up effect is what carries your BB farther. Hell, I had my rifle shooting 580fps for one large game, using 0.36g Bbs, never hit a thing, even though I was shooting at guys 200ft away, BBs were all over the place and the air currents didn't help either. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

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